Finding a street address in the 1891 census

[Pam Downes]

The original documents are unlikely to be online. Some CofE parish register baptism, marriage and burials are, but it's still very much the exception rather than the rule.

Where did the marriage take place? In a church or the Register Office? If in a church, we need the the name of the church. It might say 'the parish church of St Fred the Bling in Aston', or it might just say 'the parish church of Aston' or something along the lines of 'The Independent Chapel of Congregationalists'. Once we know the place, then we can advise you of the next step.

Yes, your copy of the marriage certificate came from the GRO (General Register Office), and yes, it's been transcribed/copied from an original document at least once, possibly twice. The GRO Index is littered with errors (how about one bride whose surname was Longford being listed as Layford?) so goodness knows how many errors there are on the certificates.

Pam

[Cheryl Jones]

Pam,
The marriage for Stephen and Mary Ann took place in the parish church of St. Matthew's, Aston in 1890. Most of their children, however, were baptised at St. James, Ashted, which I understand no longer stands. I have not investigated the history of St. Matthews yet, but I probably should.

Thanks for any ideas!

[Mutley]

Pam,
The marriage for Stephen and Mary Ann took place in the parish church of St. Matthew's, Aston in 1890. Most of their children, however, were baptised at St. James, Ashted, which I understand no longer stands. I have not investigated the history of St. Matthews yet, but I probably should.

Thanks for any ideas!

You may find this Genuki link a help to get your bearings.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WAR/Aston/Gaz1868.html

and this one to find what is available and where
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WAR/index.html

[Pam Downes]

Pam,
The marriage for Stephen and Mary Ann took place in the parish church of St. Matthew's, Aston in 1890. Most of their children, however, were baptised at St. James, Ashted, which I understand no longer stands. I have not investigated the history of St. Matthews yet, but I probably should.
Thanks for any ideas!

Um. No-one seems to want to claim the original PRs for St Matthew's, and ideally that's the record you want, rather than asking the local register office to check their copy (which may have the same possible error on it!)'.

Birmingham Archives and Heritage have at least one sat of PRs for Aston (St Peter & St Paul) as well as St James the Less Ashted, so they seem to be the office you need to contact, although they don't have St Matthew's Aston in their PRs list as far as I can see.
So start here http://www.
birmingham.gov.uk/archives
Tell them that you have a copy of the marriage certificate and say that you would also like to have a photcopy of the entry in the parish register. Are they able to send you a copy, and if they can't, can they advise you who holds the PRs and would be able to provide a copy please. Don't forget to give them details such as date, church.

STOP PRESS: Might be useful, especially the parish records link. http://www.
astonnechellscofe.org.uk/history_stmatthews/

Pam

[Jellylegs]

I think the address you are looking for can be found at RG12/2417/53/11.

It looks to me as though it is listed, but uninhabitted (could this be why it has no schedule number?) - the writing is very faint but I'm sure it says 3 Hse 4 Ct. It is on the 18th line of the page, which starts off with 10 Windsor Street, then 1 Hse 4 Ct, then 2 Hse 4 Ct, then the one which I think is the address you are looking for, followed by 12 and 14 Windsor Street.

[Pam Downes]

I think you might be right, Jellylegs.
For info, the FMP image is even fainter than Ancestry's so even if you 'walked' through FMP's images you would be highly likely to miss it. (Not knocking FMP, because there are times when their images are superior to Ancestry's.)

And if I may make a slight correction from my previous post #14, I did of course mean

... and say that you would also like to have a photocopy of the entry

Pam

[Ken_R]

Local knowledge. St Matthew's is located in what is now known as Duddeston. Prior to 1880 (something - or thereabouts) Aston was its own Administrative area separate from Birmingham, and covered a much larger area than what is now regarded as Aston.

Checking on a local forum, I found a post from someone who had recently (i.e. 2010) viewed the records for St Matthew at Birmingham Central Library. However the event they were looking for was 1930's so I'm not sure how far back go the records that are held. The Church was built 1840 - on a quick search.

In recent years, Birmingham Central Library has been replaced by a much bigger building and, although for a time, research facilities were limited, I believe it is now fully functional again.

It may be worth contacting the Library to check what records they hold.

[Ken_R]

Has the site been down. I’ve had a job loading it.

Brum Central Library.

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Sate...FInlineWrapper
Download the Adobe link and then go to page 13. Not exactly clear what they have but…..

Also, a quick search on Google found, RootsChat.com, dated May 2012,
“Hi
I have ordered a film from familysearch website on line,
for St James the Less, Ashted, Aston, Birmingham.
Bapt. 1882 -1904.
If anyone would like me to look for their ancestors while I'm going through looking for mine, send me a p.m.
Other churches on the film are;
St Annes and St Matthews, Duddeston
and St Johns mission, Ashted”

Sadly, only Baps, but would suggest other records are available.

[Ken_R]

BTW. Whereabouts in Florida are you. In the 80's I spent a number of weeks in Florida over a period of a few years. I seem to remember the area as Hudson. A short distance East along SR52 from the US19.

[Cheryl Jones]

Ken, that post has possibilities! I will need to track these things down soon. Thanks for all of the information.