Sidebotham conundrum

[olliecat]

In the interests of eliminating family1, I found a possible 1868 Halifax marriage with a Martha Pollard for him (his mother, remarried, was in Halifax in 1861) and the death of a Martha Sidebotham aged 31 in Stockport in 1879.

Have you found this William and Martha in the census? If so, if you give us a census reference then we can take a look.

In case this helps, this is the census information I recorded yesterday in an attempt to sort out the different William SIDEBOTHAMs. We know that your William is with Alice in the 1881 census and I won't post that data. (p.3763, f.68, p.15) Apart from your William in 1881, here are all the Williams I could find who were born in Stockport?


1861, 1871 and 1881 CENSUS
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William SIDEBOTHAM, who is linked to Samuel DEAKIN.

1861: Piece: 2775 Folio: 62 Page: 19
90 Great George Street, Wigan, Lancashire
DEAKINS, Samuel, lodger, unm, 22, power loom weaver, Stockport Cheshire
SUTEBOTHAM, William, lodger, unm, 22 (b. 1839), power loom weaver, Stockport Cheshire

1871: RG10; Piece: 3895; Folio: 26; Page: 45
Ormskirk Road Liptrot's Houses, Pemberton
DEAKIN, Samuel, head, 32
DEAKIN, Sarah A, wife, 34
DEAKIN, William R, son, 8
DEAKIN, George E son, 6
DEAKIN, Samuel P, son, 2
DEAKIN, Martha E, dua, 4
DEAKIN, Emma, dua, 0
SIDEBOTHAM, William, boarder, widr, 32, worker in a cotton mill, Stockport

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William SIDEBOTHAM & Mary WOOD (?)

1871: Piece: 3655; Folio: 38; Page: 18
6 Sandy Lane, Heaton Norris, Stockport
SIDEBOTHAM, William, head, 30 (b.1841), store keeper at cotton factory, Stockport Cheshire
SIDEBOTHAM, Mary, wife, 31, Heaton Norris Lancs
SIDEBOTHAM, Annie, dua, 4

1881: Piece: 3471; Folio: 42; Page: 40

William and Mary at are living at 3 Sandy Lane in 1881 and mother-in-law Martha WOOD is staying. So this is very likely their marriage...

Marriage on 14 Jul 1861 at Prestbury, Cheshire. William Sidebotham, 21, father William Sidebottom. Mary Wood, father William Wood. Both single. (Family Search)

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William SIDEBOTTOM & Mary PLATT (?)

1871: Piece: 4068; Folio: 81; Page: 27
Nether Lee's, Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire
PLATT Jamed, head, 47, self acting mule minder in cotton mill
PLATT, Alice, wife, 48
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SIDEBOTTOM, William, lodger, 30 (b. 1841), self acting mule minder in cotton mill, Stockport Cheshire
SIDEBOTTOM, Mary, lodger's wife, 25
SIDEBOTTOM, Maryann, 5
SIDEBOTTOM, Hannah, 2
SIDEBOTTOM, James W, 0

1881: Piece: 4034; Folio: 86; Page: 22

Since 1871 William and Mary are lodging with James and Alice PLATT. I guess this could be their marriage...

Marriage on 31 Oct 1864 at Leesfield. William Sidebottom, 24, father William Sidebottom. Mary Platt, 21, father James Platt. (Family Search)

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Which leaves two William SIDEBOTHAMs to find in the 1861 census, as so far we only have the one who was staying with Samuel DEAKIN. Will post the 1861 census in a moment.

[olliecat]

Further to the above, we already have the William SIDEBOTHAM who is linked to Samuel DEAKIN in the 1861 census (posted above.) What about the other two Williams? Well...

1861: Piece: 2560 Folio: 38 Page: 35
4 Wrights Buildings, Bank Field Street, Heaton Norris, Stockport
HOGG, William, head, 58
HOGG, Mary, wife, 54
HOGG, Miles, son, 20
SIDEBOTHAM, William, lodger, unm, 20 (b. 1841), Callooker(?) Factory, Stockport Cheshire

Can't find another William who was born abt. 1840 +/- 2 in Stockport in the 1861 census. There is however a William SIDEBOTTOM, who was born abt 1840 in Heaton Norris. Perhaps he later records his birth place as Stockton.

1861: Piece: 3022; Folio: 11; Page: 15
Oldham, Lancashire
SIDEBOTTOM, William 50, cotton spinner
SIDEBOTTOM, Mary A 45
SIDEBOTTOM, William 21 (b. 1840), son, cotton piecer, Heaton Norris
SIDEBOTTOM, George 12
SIDEBOTTOM, Sarah 8
SIDEBOTTOM, Martha 6
SIDEBOTTOM, Ely 4
SIDEBOTTOM, John 1

The question is, which one of these (if either) married Mary WOOD and which one married Mary PLATT? I could speculate, but I'll leave it here for the moment.

[Deakin]

I too have William Sidebotham b. 1839 in my family tree and have made the deduction that his mother was Mary Swanton. I have come to the conclusion that he was born in Heaton Norris and that the family moved to New Bridge Lane, Stockport, a few doors down from the Deakin family. Samuel Pownall Deakin and William Sidebotham moved to Wigan and William's sister, Ann married Samuel P. Deakin who set up the Deakin Jam company with his son William R. Deakin.

i have a brick wall: reports of the Deakin Jam company documents in the late 1890s refer to Jno. (I have presumed this to be Jonathan) Sidebotham of Stockport but I have been unable to trace him so the first name could be incorrectly reported. Have you come across Jno. Sidebotham amongst your Sidebothams? Could this be William's son if indeed he had a son?

[Wiganexile]

I'm away fom home and all my records until the end of next week, meantime, could you say a bit more about Jno (who might be either Jonathan or John)?

I know there was a second marriage/family somewhere at the end ofthe 19th century but can't remember the details.

[Deakin]

I too have William Sidebotham b. 1839 in my family tree and have made the deduction that his mother was Mary Swanton. I have come to the conclusion that he was born in Heaton Norris and that the family moved to New Bridge Lane, Stockport, a few doors down from the Deakin family. Samuel Pownall Deakin and William Sidebotham moved to Wigan and William's sister, Ann married Samuel P. Deakin who set up the Deakin Jam company with his son William R. Deakin.

i have a brick wall: reports of the Deakin Jam company documents in the late 1890s refer to Jno. (I have presumed this to be Jonathan) Sidebotham of Stockport but I have been unable to trace him so the first name could be incorrectly reported. Have you come across Jno. Sidebotham amongst your Sidebothams? Could this be William's son if indeed he had a son?

Since posting the above I have found the Jno. Sidebotham I was looking for - he is the son of Henry Sidebotham and Mary Baines, Henry being William Sidebotham's youngest brother and recorded as being 'Manager, Deakin's Jam'.

Thanks for your reply. It certainly is quite a job working out all the different Sidebothams and which family is which

[Wiganexile]

It certainly was quite a job! so many similarities, including the two Williams' mothers widowed and remarried in the same ten year period, but remarried and living in Wigan is the Swanton clincher.

A random thought: I wonder why 'Jno Sidebotham of Stockport' when the family had been in Wigan 30 years?