James Fisher

[olliecat]

Edith married Edward William FOSTER West Ham marrige entry on Ancestry, states father was James 'pensioner'

Further to the last post by geneius, perhaps this will help. This is the entry in the National Probate Calendar for Alice...

FISHER Alice Rosina of 10 Clitheroe-road Clapham Surrey (wife of James Fisher) died 24 June 1924 Probate London 6 August to Ethel Foster (wife of Edward William Foster.) Effects £76

Checking the 1922 Electoral Register, there is this in Lambeth...

10 Clitheroe Road
DAUNTON Benjamin Harry
FISHER Alice Rosina
FOSTER Edward William
FOSTER Ethel
WHITE Ernest Adolphus Richard

Alice was also at this address in 1918. This was also the address recorded on the second set of military records for Charles ODELL, (Minnie's husband.)

Edit: added probate details and tidied up as as my post was not making any sense.

[Coromandel]

FISHER Alice Rosina of 10 Clitheroe-road Clapham Surrey (wife of James Fisher) died 24 June 1924 Probate London 6 August to Ethel Foster (wife of Edward William Foster.) Effects £76

It would be interesting to see if Alice's will sheds any light on what became of James. You can send off for a copy, corpachlocheil. Let us know if you need some instructions.

[geneius]

Another address to link the family to:

7 TREGOTHNAN ROAD Stockwell

1) the address given on the1910 marriage entry of Minnie to Charles O'Dell (This marriage cert also indicates that James was deceased)
2) 1911 address where Alice R & Frederick MYHILL are living
3) 1911 address where Ethel & Edward W FOSTER are living

I revisited the James's Army papers, he does not appear to have been a fighting soldier, more of a Clerical member of a Unit!

James received:
Egyptian Medal & Clasp Suskin 1885
Egyptian Bronze Star
and was entitled to S Africa Medal 1899-1901

This link will shed some light of his Army Career
http://www.
1914-1918.net/asc.htm

[olliecat]

Since we are discussing addresses ...

On looking through that tree on Ancestry, there are census entries for Alice and James, living in Chelsea in 1891 and 1901. This I am not at all convinced about as there are children listed on the census that are not listed on James's military papers and also his occupation is wrong. Moreover, as far as I can remember (I would have to go back and check), James was serving abroad during the 1881 and 1901 census.

The tree however, has Alice down as being a visitor in Lambeth in 1911. On searching for Alice in Lambeth I find this...

1911: RG14/2032 SN287
36 Hubert Grove, Stockwell, London
CHANNER Edith Annie, wife, 24, London
CHANNER Beatrice Edith, dau, under 1 mo, Stockwell
FISHER Alice Rosina, visitor. 52, Certified Maternity Nurse, Not Known

Note: the signature on the form was George Alfred CHANNER, probably Edith's hubby.

This Alice I find rather more tempting as Hubert Road is about a quarter of a mile from Clitheroe Road and Tregothnan Road is in between. As an aside, just because Alice says she is a widow on the census, doesn't mean it is true. There are of course, quite a lot of Alice Fishers and more than one Alice Rosina Fisher around in 1911, so this could be a red herring. BTW: In case you are wondering, Alice was not at 10 Clitheroe Road in 1911.

Edit: Here is a Google map showing the roads mentioned above.

[geneius]

The family should be on the 1881 census, Ellen was born 21/02/1881 Aldershot

I get the feeling that Alice and her children Ellen & Alice didnot live on the M/d base at Aldershot until August 1883, this was the date that is also recorded as the Marriage Certificate being seen!

1901 the family appears to be in S Africa, returning ( minus Alice jnr) in early January 1902

Have you looked at the marriage entry on Familysearch, I just typed in Alice Rosina Matilda......1878

[Coromandel]

Records from WO 117 ('Royal Hospital Chelsea: Length of Service Pensions, Admission Books') can be downloaded free from the National Archives as part of their Digital Microfilm service. Based on the date of 1902 given for James Fisher's retirement in a previous post, I downloaded the file that covered this date (WO 117/56). It is quite long but luckily James is near the beginning.

Chelsea No. 21868
Regiment: Army Service Corps 1 Co.
Rank: 1 Class Staff Sergt Major
Name and Regimental Number: James Fisher 1461
SERVICE: Class for Pension: Wt., 13 yr 3 mo.; I, 3 y 8 mo; II, 1 yr 11 mo.; II, 1 yr 5 mo.; IV, 1 yr 4 mo.; V, 3 yr (6?) mo.; Total, 25
- [ The note 'Wt Officer' is added]
Board's decision: Pension in pence: 48
Foreign Service: Egypt, 3 [yr]; India -, S. Africa, 4[yr] 7[mo]
Character, do (i.e. Exemp[lar]y.)
G.C. badges: -
Disability or cause of discharge: Claimed after 3 months notice
Place of Birth and Trade: London, Post Office Employée
Description at this time:
- Age, 43
- Height, 5 ft 10 in
- Hair, bro
- Eyes, hazel
- Complexion, fresh
Intended place of Residence: Stonehurst, 5 Cargate Hill, Aldershot
Date of Discharge: 7.1.1902

I don't know if this adds anything to the records on Findmypast, except maybe that you get his Chelsea number and the value of his pension. I hoped there might be records of payments to out-pensioners which might have allowed you to track his movements; I will keep looking on the National Archives site but it doesn't look very promising at the moment (the only things I've found so far stop in 1883).

[olliecat]

The family should be on the 1881 census, Ellen was born 21/02/1881 Aldershot

You are right, I've just gone back and checked and he was not serving abroad during 1881.
As for 1901, he was serving abroad and this definitely rules out that family living in Chelsea in the 1901 census. For reference, here is the data from his military records...

Home: 8 Jany 77 to 16 Feb 1885, 8 years 40 day
Egypt: 17 Feb 85 to 13 May 85, 86 days
Home: 14 May 85 to 23.4.97, 11 years 345 days
South Africa: 24.4.97 to 24.11.01, 4 years 215 days
Home: 25.11.01 to 7.1.02, 44 days

1881 census: he was serving at home
1891 census: he was serving at home
1901 census: he was serving in S Africa

I suppose he could have been in Ireland for the 1881 census, but I doubt that Alice was in Ireland by the 03 March 1881, having given birth around 10 days previously. However, they were a hardy bunch in those days so I'm not going to rule it out. We do know that the family were in Cork by 26.2.83 as this was when daughter Alice was born.

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On a slightly different note: I'm just off to make some supper and I don't know if anyone wants to have a look but there is a James FISHER in the 1911 census who was born abt 1861 in London - an army pensioner. Yes! I imagine there are quite a few James FISHERS who are ex-army knocking about, but this one has been bugging me because I haven't found his marriage yet, married 4 years to an Adrienne. Could be another red herring and I will attempt to eliminate him later tonight or tomorrow, unless someone else has done so in the meantime. (RG14/2888 SN153.)

[geneius]

Disability or cause of discharge: Claimed after 3 months notice

A bit of random information, Army personel need to apply for there discharge under Para 1805 xxiii Kings Regiment 1901, even though it was known they were coming to the end of their enlisted period. He joined Jan 1877 - Jan 1902 25 years.

[geneius]

Post Office records, also available on ancestry! Off for breakfast!!

http://
postalheritage.org.uk/page/appointments

[corpachlocheil]

Hi Coromandel,
I have decided to take a deep breath and review all of the postings that everyone has worked to provide.One of the reasons is the confusion arising from your most recent posting 23/06.I knew great Aunt Ethel who died at the back end of the 1950's.She was the accountant to a company running a number of tobacconist shops in London and the suburbs Great Uncle Wilfred who predeceased Ethel Foster by some years was also an accountant.They married late and had no children.About 6 years before Ethel died a man arrived to look after Ethel in her declining years,much against the family's wishes.The house that I saw after Ethel death was large,double fronted and Victorian overlooking Clapham Common.I was a very minor beneficiary after probate,£500 in those days was a considerable sum.My guess is her will would have been valued at in excess of £10,000.
When I start to open this thread I guess I must start at the London Gazette-I have had no luck with Ancestry,apart from anything else the event was too recent.