MARY ANN HARNETT - Nee WATTS

[sammysaid]

I know that Mary Ann WATTS married Thomas HARNETT on 31st March 1872 South Kennington, Surrey.
According to the Parish records she was the daughter of coachman Thomas WATTS.
I'm sure she died in 1879, as husband Thomas re-marries shortly after.

Can anyone shed any light on when and where Mary Ann WATTS was born and who were her parents (mother's ID especially).

Thanks for reading...
xxx

[Raffaele]

There are a few possibilities for her death and more for her birth.

You need to obtain the marriage certificate and her age etc to enable us to identy which death and birth record most closely match.

Marriages Mar 1872 Courtesy of FreeBMD
Harnett Thomas Lambeth 1d 381
Watts Mary Ann Lambeth 1d 381

You can obtain the certificate from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

[Sue Mackay]

I think sammysaid has already seen the marriage certificate. It's available as part of the online LMA records and sadly Mary Ann is merely 'of full age' and father just listed as Thomas Watts, coachman. The address for both Thomas Harnett and Mary Ann was 48 Riverhall Street, Lambeth, but neither was there on the 1871 census.

[valg]

I think sammysaid has already seen the marriage certificate. It's available as part of the online LMA records and sadly Mary Ann is merely 'of full age' and father just listed as Thomas Watts, coachman. The address for both Thomas Harnett and Mary Ann was 48 Riverhall Street, Lambeth, but neither was there on the 1871 census.

Think the death that sammy has referred to is in 1879..Wandsworth June--aged 32 which makes a birth abt 1847

[Raffaele]

Think the death that sammy has referred to is in 1879..Wandsworth June--aged 32 which makes a birth abt 1847

I was originally thinking of that record but you should consider these three as well

Births Dec 1864
Watts Mary Ann Lambeth 1d 336
Deaths Sep 1876
HARNETT Mary 21 St. Olave 1d 184
Births Sep 1864
HARNETT Thomas Camberwell 1d 529

[janbooth]

Ancestry London Parish Registers has the burial of Mary Ann HARNETT on 22 April 1879 at Battersea St Mary of 37 Morley Street, aged 32 which is probably the same address widower Thomas HARNETT gave on his subsequent remarriage on 6 March 1880 to Eliza Constantia NEWMAN, this time shown as 37 Motley Street, which I believe is the correct address.

I can't find an appropriate Mary/Mary Ann WATTS with a father Thomas who is a coachman in earlier census records, but I have found a Mary Ann WATTS born c1846/8 in the 1851 (Chertsey) & 1861 (Lambeth) census records with a father William WATTS who is described as a Coachman/Omnibus Coachman born c1825 in Chertsey, Surrey and a mother Elizabeth born c1825 in Esher. However, I can't find either William or Elizabeth WATTS in the 1871 census so far but could perhaps be worth bearing in mind.

Janet

[sammysaid]

I have the two marriages you refer to (Mary Ann & Eliza), & the burial / death record for Mary Ann... I too just can't seem to get a definate of her father prior to Mary Ann & Thomas' marriage!!!
Mysterious!!!

[valg]

Ancestry London Parish Registers has the burial of Mary Ann HARNETT on 22 April 1879 at Battersea St Mary of 37 Morley Street, aged 32 which is probably the same address widower Thomas HARNETT gave on his subsequent remarriage on 6 March 1880 to Eliza Constantia NEWMAN, this time shown as 37 Motley Street, which I believe is the correct address.

I can't find an appropriate Mary/Mary Ann WATTS with a father Thomas who is a coachman in earlier census records, but I have found a Mary Ann WATTS born c1846/8 in the 1851 (Chertsey) & 1861 (Lambeth) census records with a father William WATTS who is described as a Coachman/Omnibus Coachman born c1825 in Chertsey, Surrey and a mother Elizabeth born c1825 in Esher. However, I can't find either William or Elizabeth WATTS in the 1871 census so far but could perhaps be worth bearing in mind.

Janet

Only 2 births on freebmd Surrey fit time period
Mary Ann Watts. Births June 1847 Guildford 4 -181
Mary Ann Watts. Births JUne 1848 Camberwell 4 -84
Always have to concider that fathers on marriage cert are not always quite truthful.