WHITEHOUSE

[Whitehouse]

Help please. My first post. I have been looking for birth details for William WHITEHOUSE born 1817 in Langport, Somerset, so that i may get some details on his Mother and Father. i found him in the census 1861 and in the free death index 1866, i believe that he was in the royal marines (Ship HMS Albion) at the time of his marriage in 1850 to Ann CARPENTER. His father is mentioned in the marriage certificate as Isaac a iron moulder. Cant find Isaac anywhere have a feeling that there may be some connection to Chelmsford in London as William did move there for a time, and its where his son was born 1862. Would love some help. hope that the details that i am posting are ok. Kind regards Richard

[olliecat]

I have been looking for birth details for William WHITEHOUSE born 1817 in Langport, Somerset...
i believe that he was in the royal marines (Ship HMS Albion) at the time of his marriage in 1850 to Ann CARPENTER.

Could this be your William Whitehouse's attestation papers at the National Archives?

ADM 157/155/359

Folios 359-363. William Whitehouse, born Somerset.
Attestation papers to serve in the Royal Marines at Plymouth 1834 (when aged 18).
Discharged 1857 as Length of service.

If so, then it could be worth getting hold of a copy. Check the Ordering and Viewing Options link.

Edit: Just noticed another set of papers - ADM 157/664/325

[olliecat]

Could be William's baptism...

Baptism on 07 Jun 1815 at All Saints, Langport, Somerset. William, son of Isaac WHITEHOUSE and Agnes. Father's occupation: labourer.

See FreeREG,

www.
freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

[olliecat]

Note: if you search FreeREG for baptisms 1815 +/-10 in Somerset and include Isaac and WHITEHOUSE in the Forename and Surname box, you will find two other children of Isaac --> James Henry and George. The mum's name is recorded as Alice rather than Agnes but it is very likely the same couple. The occupation of the father on George's baptism is Iron Founder.

[janbooth]

Looks as if William could have been at sea when the 1851 census was taken, as wife Ann appears to be working as a Servant in East Stonehouse, Devon (HO107/1880, folio 92, page 50). It also looks as if your William may have had at least 2 brothers, namely Charles born c1812 in Langport who is in St James Clerkenwell in the 1851 census (HO107/1519, folio 294, page 20), with wife Rebecca, who is described as an Iron Moulder and John born c1811 in Langport who is in Shoreditch in the 1851 census (HO107/1535, folio 147, page 29) together with wife Hannah and children Sophia & Henry, John also being described as an Iron Moulder.

I can't find an appropriate Isaac at the moment on the census records but will keep looking. However, William's attestation papers could well give you important information about his family, so as Olliecat suggests it could definitely be worth your while to get a copy.

Janet

Census records courtesy TNA

[Pam Downes]

Hello Richard,
Civil registration for births, marriages and deaths began in England and Wales on 1 July 1837, so for anything prior to that date you have to initially look for a baptism, marriage or burial in parish registers for information.

The 'rule' on the forum is detail, detail, detail.
So in addition to the basic stuff such as who William married, we want to know where the marriage took place, the date, his occupation and the ideally the names of his and her father and their occupations, i.e. all the information on the marriage certificate.

Depending on how common the name is census references are always good idea - especially if a name has been mistranscribed. (Transcriptions differ between sites such as Findmypast (FMP) and Ancestry.)

Faster typists have probably already posted some or all of these details, but for reference:
1851, William is no doubt rolling around the ocean waves, as Ann aged 21 and born Illogan Cornwall, is married, but a house servant living in East Stonehouse, Devon.
HO107/1880 folio 92 page 59.

In 1861, William, Ann, and children Ann Maria 4 and Mary Elizabeth 3, both born in Stonehouse plus baby Alice Agnes aged 3 months born Chelmsford are living in Chelmsford. William's occupation is Greenwich pensioner which would equate with him being in the navy and his birthplace is Langport. RG9/1079 f 168 p 21

William presumably dies sometime between 1861 and 1868, as in June quarter 1868 Ann Whitehouse marries Frederick Madge, Plymouth registration district.
In 1871 Ann and Frederick Madge, plus Ann, Alice and William (born 1862, Chelmsford) Whitehouse are living in St Budeaux, Devon.
RG10/2110 f 14 p 19. Frederick Madge is a Greenwich pensioner.

The death Richard says he found in 1866 is probably the one in June quarter 1866 in Plympton registration district. William's age is given as 50; St Budeaux where Ann and the Whitehouse children are living in 1871 is in the Plympton registration district.

So that all seems to fit, though ideally Richard, if you haven't got the death certificate it would be a good idea to send for it, especially if William is a direct ancestor.

There is no 'obvious' William Whitehouse who fits in 1841, so presumably he was already in the navy and out of the reach of the census.
There's an Isaac and Charles Whitehouse, both ages given as 15, not born in county, occupation described as Army living in the Martello Tower, Harwich. Perhaps they're William's brothers and stayed in Essex after they left the Army.
HO107/344/20 f 40 p 3.

If there's anything you don't understand re all the numbers and other jargon, please ask.

EDITED TO ADD - I was off to do a bit more digging but looks like the faster typists have been and done it already.

(Census in care of TNA and Crown copyright.)

Pam

[Whitehouse]

You must be a wizard, many thanks looks like the William i am looking for i will oreder his records, again many thanks cant believe you found them so fast, Thanks

[olliecat]

Note: if you search FreeREG for baptisms 1815 +/-10 in Somerset and include Isaac and WHITEHOUSE in the Forename and Surname box, you will find two other children of Isaac --> James Henry and George.

Looking for siblings of William in the census....

...from FreeREG, we know that a George WHITEHOUSE, son of Isaac and Alice was baptised in Bridgewater, Somerset in 1818. In the 1861 census, there is a George WHITEHOUSE, born abt. 1819 in Bridgewater. He is living in Lancashire with wife Margaret and children. (1861: RG 9; Piece: 2897; Folio: 77; Page: 39), (1841: Piece: 563 Book/Folio: 2/24 age: 5)

This could be his marriage...

Marriage: 2 Aug 1841 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
George Whitehouse - full Anchorsmith Bachelor of Dryden Street
Margaret Miller - (X), full Spinster of Dryden Street
Groom's Father: Isaac Whitehouse, Iron Moulder
Bride's Father: William Miller, Bricklayer
Witness: William Miller; Sarah Ratcliffe
(Source: Lancashire OPC)

[janbooth]

Could perhaps be another relative in the 1841 census of Colchester (HO107/344/14, folio 8, page 9)

Culver Street

Isaac WHITEHOUSE 35 Iron Moulder Born in county no
Joseph do 20 do no
Charles PRENTICE 15 yes

Janet

Census records courtesy TNA

[Pam Downes]

This is gonna get messy!
Seems as if every Isaac Whitehouse was an iron founder or moulder.


Following the discovery of an Isaac and Charles Whitehouse living in Essex in 1841, this may be that Isaac in 1851.
Living in Chelmsford, aged 24, iron moulder, born Frome Somerset, with wife Eliza 24, and Thomas and Isaac all born Kent and presumably Dover as regardless of what the enumerator wrote on the schedule there is no such place as Frome, Kent.
HO107/1781 f 29 p 14.

In 1861 Isaac and family are living in Greenwich. Isaac still an iron moulder, and wife and two eldest children said to have been born in Dover Kent. RG9/400 f 156 p 24.

No luck with Charles Whitehouse in 1851, but in 1861 there's a Charles, unmarried, aged 38, iron moulder, born Somersetshire living in Sculcoates Yorkshire. RG9/3581 f140 p 1.
Can't find him in 1871 or 1881 on either Ancestry or FMP, and I can't see an 'obvious' death on FreeBMD.

Pam