William Toms where are you in1891

[grisel]

Only likely birth an Adelaide Shipton b 1848 Malmesbury West. ..

Well I see a death for Adelaide Shipton age0 in 1848, so I was wrong on that one.

[Ladkyis]

I am still following this thread even if My head is threatening to explode. I am waiting for my cuz to get back to me about certificates and I can't do anything until he does.

[Mutley]

I am still following this thread even if My head is threatening to explode. I am waiting for my cuz to get back to me about certificates and I can't do anything until he does.

Don't fret Ladkyis, we are having fun. This is an enjoyable search.
The certificates will help to determine we are following the right family for you but meanwhile we are following an interesting family problem back in time and it certainly is making those old grey cells work abit.
I've a fancy to learn some more about Emily Peart, or whoever she is!

I do hope they are yours but if not, it has been a fantastic bit of enjoyable research. And I feel there is more to come....

We still need to find either your William in 1891 or our William in 1891.

[valg]

Don't fret Ladkyis, we are having fun. This is an enjoyable search.
The certificates will help to determine we are following the right family for you but meanwhile we are following an interesting family problem back in time and it certainly is making those old grey cells work abit.
I've a fancy to learn some more about Emily Peart, or whoever she is!

I do hope they are yours but if not, it has been a fantastic bit of enjoyable research. And I feel there is more to come....

We still need to find either your William in 1891 or our William in 1891.

Others families are just so much more fun and so interesting...Young George, possible son of Emily...perhaps he was actually named William George and called George to avoid having to Bills in his grandfathers house! Thus becoming William when he is with Edwin and Emily...just another thought going thru my head.

[Mutley]

Others families are just so much more fun and so interesting...Young George, possible son of Emily...perhaps he was actually named William George and called George to avoid having to Bills in his grandfathers house! Thus becoming William when he is with Edwin and Emily...just another thought going thru my head.

We are running along the same track. so that is good news.
We have not answered the original question, so that is not good news.

[valg]

We are running along the same track. so that is good news.
We have not answered the original question, so that is not good news.

That is true we havent found him in 91...but look on the bright side we may have discovered so much more abt him....now back to 91....can probably assume he was in Newprt ...once again I wonder abt transcription of Toms to Thomas...I am looking at this one..

William Thomas..1891 RG12; Piece: 4383; Folio: 81; Page: 9

Perhaps his marriage cert 2 yrs later will provide more info..

[pippycat]

Strangely enough Valg I wondered about that William Thomas in 1891 too - simply because he's lodging with Thomas Richards and his 'father' Edwin also married a Richards.

[valg]

yes and i think Toms could very easily have been transcribed as Thomas..

[valg]

This does seem worth looking at. I do think that William Toms is very possibly a son of Emily's . I have also been going round in circles...

Firstly could not find a Peart/Pert/ Perrott etc birth for a William or George in either Glos BMD (should be Stroud, Dursley if Charfield) or on Wilts BMD.

Was Emily born a Peart ? Could not find her birth, but brothers William and Thomas had mother's maiden name Shipton (Wilts BMD)

Only likely birth an Adelaide Shipton b 1848 Malmesbury West. Also a possible marriage 1848 for Caroline Shipton and a John Pearl at Sopworth St Mary (Wilts BMD)

Haven't found a William or George Shipton birth tho. The nearest is a William George Shipton (no other maiden name given) 1866 Stroud Minchinhampton which isn't quite the right area.

But all food for thought....

Caroline Shipton-John Peart-Dec 1848-Malmesbury Vol 8 Page 687

Boys have fathers surname on freebmd.
Thomas Peart-births Malmesbury March 1851-8-405
William Peart-births Malmesvury-Sept 1852-5a-36

[grisel]

Caroline Shipton-John Peart-Dec 1848-Malmesbury Vol 8 Page 687

Boys have fathers surname on freebmd.
Thomas Peart-births Malmesbury March 1851-8-405
William Peart-births Malmesvury-Sept 1852-5a-36

Hi Val

Thanks for checking these. Thought Pearl was likely to be actually Peart on the marriage.
Sorry don't always explain things too clearly. Boys names also Peart on Wilts BMD but mother's maiden name helpfully given. I couldn't see any birth for Emily as either Peart (or variant) or Shipton. I came to think that maybe that if Emily was a first baby the parents didn't realise that they had to register the birth. I wonder if she was baptised.

I was wondering something similar about William/George Peart. By 1866 mother Caroline was dead and young Emily possibly in service in Charfield - has baby William/George in Charfield then brings him home to Sopworth - again not realising she has to register the birth. All guesswork of course.

An interesting family Ladkyis!