Ann Howden info

[theironman2]

Need any information on Ann H. Howden B.1833 in Hedon and married John Lickiss in 1855..

[Jan1954]

Hello again Lee,

Do you have their marriage certificate?

There is a marriage registered for John LICKISS in Sculcoates in the December quarter of 1855, volume 9d, page 277 with an Ann Hollingsworth HOLDEN on the same page. Please note the slightly different surname for Ann.

Is this them?

[Nicolina]

the 1841 Census for Charlotte Street, Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull (HO107/1232/9/24 page 41) has:
Thomas HOLDEN b. abt. 1796 occ: Solicitor
Harriott HOLDEN b. abt. 1796
Thomas HOLDEN b. abt. 1826 occ: Articled Clerk
Maria HOLDEN b. abt. 1829
Ann HOLDEN b. abt. 1834
George HOLDEN b. abt. 1836
Harriott HOLDEN b. abt. 1839
Ellen SIMPSON b. abt. 1811 occ: Female Servant
Emma WELBURN b. abt. 1821 occ: Female Servant
Ann Hayes b. abt. 1826 occ: Female Servant
all born Yorkshire

[Nicolina]

in 1851 the family was at the same address (HO107/2361/23 page 38) but consisted of:
Thomas snr. Attorney at Law, widower born Benningholm
Thomas jnr. Attorney at Law born Sculcoates
George born Sculcoates

plus 2 female servants

[Nicolina]

trying to find out what happened to the girls.
Maria Helen HOLDEN married Richard HODGSON at All Saints, Sculcoates in 1848

or Maria HOLDEN married George ROBSON at All Saints, Sculcoates in 1851

onward and upward.

[Nicolina]

in 1851 Ann & Harriet were a Pupils at a Private Establishment For The Education Of Young Ladies, Panton, Horncastle, Lincolnshire (HO1072107/52 page 8)

[Coromandel]

Mmm, I'm afraid I'm going to throw a bit of a spanner into the works here . . . FamilySearch has the marriage on 1 November 1855 at Hedon of Ann Hollingsworth Holden (aged 23) and John Lickiss (aged 22), but it gives her father's name as Robert Holden.

[Coromandel]

On the 1881 census as transcribed on FamilySearch, there are these three ladies at Tremayne House, Wilberforce Street, Kingston upon Hull (RG 11/4768, f.125, p.33):

Mary Howden, head, widow, 63, glass merchants widow
Mary Cooper, neice [sic], widow, 28, horse dealers widow
Ann Lickiss, sister in l., married, 49, corn merchants wife

all born in Hull.

So Ann's brother is presumably a Mr Howden [or Holden], glass merchant, who died before the 1881 census.

[theironman2]

Hello again Lee,

Do you have their marriage certificate?

There is a marriage registered for John LICKISS in Sculcoates in the December quarter of 1855, volume 9d, page 277 with an Ann Hollingsworth HOLDEN on the same page. Please note the slightly different surname for Ann.

Is this them?

We have found some items that suggest that the Holden is wrong. The Hollingsworth fits

I am also on tribal pages at www.
lickiss.tribalpages.com access code is mystar

[Jan1954]

We have found some items that suggest that the Holden is wrong. The Hollingsworth fits

In that case, I would suggest that you obtain the marriage certificate. Just because there is one letter difference in Ann's surname, does not make it wrong. Names were recorded as they were heard and HOWDEN and HOLDEN can sound very similar with a South Yorkshire accent - especially in the 1850s when accents were a lot stronger than they are today. (My great grandfather's brother was recorded in the 1841 census as Sarah instead of Pharaoh, but both names sound similar when said in the old flat Essex accent.)

Also, please be aware that spelling did not really settle down until the beginning of the 20th century as literacy became nore widespread.