florence emma tucker

[gabrielle]

Thank you for the interest you are showing in my story. I do have references, but I need a bit of time to get everything together, then I can post details for you. I also have the birth certificate for May, my mother. Where did you find out that Rose went to Harper Street School and that she had been in hospital (I have obviously not been looking hard enough)? I have a marriage certificate which I think is the Florence Tucker I am looking for and I have a birth certificate. I have just ordered the death certificate for Florence E Jones who died in St Martin, but it will take a couple of weeks to get to me. I looked for other siblings and got the only birth certiificates that would have fitted, but neither of them were Florence and William. I know that my mother was bought up by Rose Brabham and that there were three other siblings. Two of them are now dead, but one is still alive. The one who is still alive always remembers my mother being there (she is younger than my mum) and if she knows anything, she is not telling. I will post all the references tomorrow for you and once again, thank you for your help. Gabrielle

[Mutley]

You are welcome, it is quite an interesting search.
The school admissions are on the pay site Ancestry.

I'll look forward to more information.

[Mutley]

In 1901 William Brabham the father was a warehouseman, age 48 and his wife Emily age 42 had children
Rose, age 18, Minnie, age 16, Lily age 14, Dora age 10, Florence age 11, Alice age 9, Ada age 8, Ethel age 4 and William age 7 Wks.
All were born in Newington. They lived at 23 Salisbury Blds.
RG13/373, Folio 17, Page 25
(records held by TNA, Crown copyright)

Would your mum have regarded them as Aunts and an Uncle?

[Mutley]

Using FreeBMD and asking for births of children after 1912 (the year mother's maiden names showed) with the surname Jones and mother as a 'Tucker' gives loads. May is there as born in London City (Barts was EC1) in 1916.
The two nearest in dates and places are both Lambeth.
Thomas E W in 1914 and Rose L in 1916. There are many others though that might ring bells with you, it would be worth posting the names of the siblings that are deceased but unfortunately we are not allowed to post the name of the still living sibling.

[gabrielle]

Thank you for all your help. As promised here is some information on Florence Emma Tucker. Please bear in mind that I had nothing and the first thing I ordered was a copy of my mother's birth certificate based on what I knew. She always told me that her mother was Rose Brabham (there is no one of my mother's name registered to Rose Brabham). I knew she was born 11th May 1916 at St Bart's Hospital, London. The certificate I hve has everything correct as I was told by her, apart from the name of her mother. Could two children have been born in the same place, on the same day, with the same father's name? Doubtful? I don't know if you need any more information from the birth certificate.
I have a birth certificate for Florence Emma Tucker, born 1882 in Rotherhithe on 22nd April at 16 Swan Lane, Rotherhithe, the home of Charles Frederick Tucker and Emma Tucker formerly Taylor. Again, do you need more information?
I have a marriage certificate for William Edward Jones and florence Emma Tucker on 5th November 1904 at All Saints Church, Rotherhithe, stating parents were davied Jones and Charles Frederick Tucker.
I have a birth certificate for William Edward Jones, born 15th April 1882, in Holywell, Flintshire, Wales. Pparents David Jones and Amelia Jones formerly Roberts. The signature is the x of Mary Jones, present at birth at Mostyn.
Assuming Florence Tucker was born in 1882 (on records it fluctuates between 1882 and 1883), 1891 census page 30 piece 0383 shows her with parents and siblings Charley F and Earnest J Tucker.
1901 census shows her with her mother widowed. Folio 187, page 19 piece 398.
1911 census shows her with husband William Edward Jones, mother Emma Tucks and a lodger Gladys Walker Brown. Folio 275, page 1, piecce 1926.

As I have said before, I have had to make many assumptions when putting this together and you may be able to see many mistakes in my assumptions. I hope you can make some sense of it and that I can maybe find a descendant of Florence.

PS How are you on adoptions???

[Mutley]

PS How are you on adoptions???

Adoption posts after 1911 are not permitted on the forum so I cannot help there. Sorry.

Your mother may not have known that Rose was not her mother. Strange as it may seem.
If there are no photographs she may only have a recollection of a pretty lady and not be able to recall the features to distinguish between Florence and Rose. She may also only ever have had the short form of a birth certificate that did not give the names of parents. If she was told Rose was her mother and knew Rose as such, she probably would not have questioned it.

Is there an abode address on her birth certificate? It may be worth checking against the electoral roll to see what adults were living at that address. We will not see the family unit until the release of the 1921 census.

William George Brabham is quite easy to follow, from his baptism in 1855 to William and Mary. Mary married again to Samuel Bartlett.
William is in the 1911 with two of the children, William and Ethel, the other 7 have moved on. Emily is not there.

In the 1930 electoral roll William is living at Dartnell Road and in the same household are Charles Albert Judd and Lily Judd.
Lily is his daughter, she married Charles in 1907. I think William dies about 1930.

No really much help. I don't know if it is worth trying to track the other sisters of Lily and Rose?
I cannot find Rose in the electoral roll.

[gabrielle]

Thank you for your reply.
The abode address on May Elizabeth Jone's birth cert if 15 Nelson Terrace, City Road, Islington.
Her siblings who are dead are Gladys Amelia Jones B 1914 1 Peerless Buildings, Holborn and Edna Mary Jones B 1922 The General Elliott Public House, St Johns Road, Uxbridge.

[Mutley]

Thank you for your reply.
The abode address on May Elizabeth Jone's birth cert if 15 Nelson Terrace, City Road, Islington.
Her siblings who are dead are Gladys Amelia Jones B 1914 1 Peerless Buildings, Holborn and Edna Mary Jones B 1922 The General Elliott Public House, St Johns Road, Uxbridge.

Not much luck tracking them, sorry.
The Brabham's were a bit more successful. Some of William and Emily's daughters:
Lily Brabham married Charles Judd 1907
Dora Brabham married George Smith 1914 (Ada was a witness)
Florence Mary Brabham married Richard John Campson 1913 (The Budds witnessed)
Alice Brabham married Charles Guy Budd 1912
Ethel Brabham married Leonard John Gundry 1918