florence emma tucker

[gabrielle]

I am trying to trace anyone who knows anything about a Florence Emma Tucker, born 1882 in Saint Olave, Southwark, London. Her parents were Charles Fredrick Tucker and Emma Tucker nee Taylor. They were living at 16 Swan Lane, Rotherhithe at the time of Florence's birth.

If I have the correct events, she married William Edward Jones on 5th November 1904 at All Saints Church, Rotherhithe.

I also believe thay had a daughter May Elizabeth Jones, born 11th May 1916 in St Bartholomew's Hospital, London. I don't think this daughter was raised by Florence Tucker, but I don't know the circumstances that led to this. This daughter was my mother and I am trying to find anyone who knows the story of of why my mother was bought up by another woman. She was not officially adopted.

Gabrielle Hall

[christanel]

Hi I have no connection to this family but thought I would take a look at it.
Official adoption wasn't introduced until 1927.
Just an observation, in 1911 Florence and William have been married 6 years and no children of the marriage. It can happen that a couple are married a long time before having a child but could it be that if Florence is definitely the mother then William wasn't the father? Just some hypothetical theorising here.
You have Florence Emma and William Edward in 1911? He is superintendant of Cold Storage born Holywell Wales. Married 6 years. No children of the marriage but there is 11 month old Gladys Walker Brown. a boarder, living wth them.
Florence's mother Emma Tucker is also with them of, independant means.

There is a death of a Florence Emma Tucker in Croydon in 1969. This could be this woman's married name or a possibility that your Florence Emma reverted to her maiden name. I can't find any other Florence Emma Tucker births 1881 - 1883.

(census TNA copyright)

[Mutley]

You have Florence Emma and William Edward in 1911? He is superintendant of Cold Storage born Holywell Wales. Married 6 years. No children of the marriage but there is 11 month old Gladys Walker Brown. a boarder, living wth them.
Florence's mother Emma Tucker is also with them of, independant means.

There is a death of a Florence Emma Tucker in Croydon in 1969. This could be this woman's married name or a possibility that your Florence Emma reverted to her maiden name. I can't find any other Florence Emma Tucker births 1881 - 1883.

(census TNA copyright)

There is another Florence Emma Tucker in the 1911, she is the wife of Frederick John Tucker, they are living in Croydon.
This F.E.Tucker was born 1882 in Clapham so she may well be the one that the death registration of the 88 year old F. E Tucker in 1969 at Croydon belongs to.

[Mutley]

Just be aware that you are chasing
Florence Emma Jones nee Tucker married to Charles Jones
NOT
Florence Emma Tucker nee Thomas married to Frederick Tucker (married Sept 1906)

I hope I have got that right, it does get confusing does it not?

[Mutley]

It does get very confusing.
I am not sure we will have much luck with May, she is after the census so other than birth, marriage and death there is not a lot to search for.
Barts does have a museum and archives but I don't know if it would be any help at all in your case.
http://www.bartsandthelondon.nhs.uk/...ours-of-barts/

Can I ask if you have any census references for your Florence?

There is another Florence Tucker born 1880 St, Olave and living in Rotherhithe in 1891.
She is the daughter of a Charles Tucker and Jane and is a Florence Edith.
RG12/384, Folio 105, Page 27
(records held by TNA, Crown copyright)

I don't want to muddle her up with yours.

[Mutley]

I am not sure if you have this information, you probably do but just in case not....

For William Edward Jones there is a Baptism on 25 Mar 1886. Parents are David Jones (Lead Pipe Maker) and Amelia Jones.
It was at Rotherhithe St Mary in Southwark and the abode was 7 St. Pauls Lane.
Comment:
Received into the Church, baptised privately at ?Mostyne? Vicarage 6 weeks after birth by Rev. Griffith Jones.
(born 1 April 1882)

David and Amelia also baptised on the same day
Priscilla born 5 Oct 1883, privately baptised on 10th Nov 1883
Ellen born 4 Feb 1886 but no comment regarding a private baptism.

I am presuming then, that in 1882/3, this family were in Wales?

[gabrielle]

Thank you for this information. What I have not told is that my mother was bought up by a Rose Annetta Elizabeth Jones nee Brabham who was "married" to William Edward Jones from Flintshire (which is where Holywood is)! I say "married" because I cannot find any record of a marriage between these two people. I am fairly confident that I have the correct Florence Emma Tucker and the correct birth certificate for my mother. There are to many coincidences for all the information I have to be wrong. I have checked for any children to Florence and William before the birth of my mother and cannot find any. The Glady Walker Brown you mention, was born to an unmarried mother who went to a maternity hospital in London to have her baby and I suspect that she used "Walker" because it had some link to the father of the child. The mother moved away from London and subsequently married. I know this all sounds messy, but I think this is why I am having trouble moving forward on it. The only death record that I feel fits the circumstances is a Florence E Jones who died in 1923 in St Martin, London. If you have any more suggestions, I would be very pleased to receive them.

[gabrielle]

I am not sure if you have this information, you probably do but just in case not....

For William Edward Jones there is a Baptism on 25 Mar 1886. Parents are David Jones (Lead Pipe Maker) and Amelia Jones.
It was at Rotherhithe St Mary in Southwark and the abode was 7 St. Pauls Lane.
Comment:
Received into the Church, baptised privately at ?Mostyne? Vicarage 6 weeks after birth by Rev. Griffith Jones.
(born 1 April 1882)

David and Amelia also baptised on the same day
Priscilla born 5 Oct 1883, privately baptised on 10th Nov 1883
Ellen born 4 Feb 1886 but no comment on her baptism.

Thank you I don't have this information. I know that both William and his father worked in the lead mines in Flintshire and it would seem that when mining stopped they moved to Rotherhithe and became Lead Pipe Makers which fits with their previous jobs. I cannot confirm if he had siblings. I know that he married Florence Emma Tucker in 1904 in Rotherhithe because I have the marriage certificate.

[Mutley]

I saw the marriage entry for William and Florence. Both William and his father David were Lead Pipe Makers so the baptisms fit.

So do you think Rose Annetta Elizabeth Jones nee Brabham was a step 'mother' to May and you wish to know if Florence died or did a bunk?

[Mutley]

There is information regarding Rose on Ancestry.
She seems to have been born 10 Aug 1883,

She went to Harper Street School for at least 3 years, left 27 Aug 1897, had been in hospital.
Parents William and Emily. Born Newington, several siblings including a sister named Florence and seems to be in the relevant census.

I'll look for their marriage tomorrow but I have a suspicion that I will not find it.

I will also look for the death of Florence, the St. Martin one sounds very possible.
It is a short walk from Barts and May would have only been about seven.