Eva List Dyer born 1862

[malcolm99]

On the 1871 Census there is a THOMAS E CALDECUTT born c.1868. The only birth in the GRO Registers which matches this is Thomas Edgar Caldecutt born June Q 1867 in Manchester RD.

In the 1911 Census there is a Thomas Caldecutt, age 44, born Manchester living with wife Maria and son George (age 21) at 37 Arthur Street, Swinton: RG14 PN23579 SN254

They have been married 22 years and there is a marriage on Lancashire BMD for Thomas Caldecutt and Maria Partington at Barton-on-Irwell in 1888.

As there is no other birth for a Thomas Caldecutt registered between 1860 & 1892 I think this must be the Thomas Caldecutt of the 1871 census. The marriage certificate may give some interesting information.
The 1901 census ref seems to be RG13 piece 3655 fol. 24 p. 40

If this is right then there's an 1891 Census sighting in Little Hulton, Bolton, Lancs at: RG12 Piece 3098 fol. 110 p. 54

Thomas Caldecott, age 22
Maria Culdicott, age 24
George Culdicott, age 1
WILLIAM H CALDECOTT, age 19, born Manchester
James Donnelly, boarder.

Although William's age doesn't match with that on the 1871 Census, I strongly suspect that this is him living with his older brother Thomas (he's definitely not Thomas's son!!).

[Elma]

Hi Malcom.
Thanks for that information. I am following what you say.
I cant find a Birth for William in Manchester c 1870? However it does look a possibility. I will order marriage cert if I can not find anything else about the family but I feel I need to look at George the father of these boys, Arthur, William and Thomas? The first sighting of the name Bramall was in 1881.
Arthur appears possibly the oldest child of George and Emily, maybe the clue is here.
Back to searching.
Thanks again ELMA

[terrysfamily]

There is a marriage in the Dec Qtr of 1858 in Manchester of a George Henry Caldecutt with an Emily Styles on the same page. 8d 484 (This marriage was at Manchester St John (RD: Manchester).)

familysearch has baptisms for children born to George Henry and Emily Caldecutt/Caldecott in Manchester Cathedral

Arthur Edward Caldecutt
baptism/christening date:25 Sep 1863
indexing project (batch) number:I02326-9, source film number:438180

Emily Caldecutt, baptism/christening date: 25 Sep 1863
indexing project (batch) number:I02326-9, source film number:438180

George Henry Caldecott
baptism/christening date: 27 Aug 1865
indexing project (batch) number:C07354-6, source film number:483180

Thomas Edgar Caldecutt
baptism/christening date:11 Aug 1867
indexing project (batch) number:C07354-7, source film number:438181

FreeBMD also has births for Culdecutt in Manchester. Although, the births are for different years.

Births Sep 1861 Arthur Edward CALDECUTT Manchester 8d 277
Births Sep 1863 Emily CALDECUTT Manchester 8d 247
Births Jun 1865 George Henry CALDICUTT Manchester 8D 292
Births Jun 1867 Thomas Edgar CALDECUTT Manchester 8d 268

I wanted to check if '8d 247 - 8d 292' were actually Manchester registers. I know it did say Manchester but I like to check.

Using the Marriage locator (well if the location works for a marriage why shouldn't it work for a birth or death. probably get shot down in flames here) I entered the numbers and this is what it came up with. This marriage was at Manchester Cathedral (RD: Manchester). So the baptisms and birth registers pan out, both Manchester Cathedral.

Looks like they waited for Emily to come along to baptise Arthur, as both were baptised on the same day.

The marriage Malcolm99 found was at Barton-on-Irwell Register Office or Registrar Attended according to LancashireBMD.

There is a baptism for a George Henry Caldecutt in 1837

George Henry Caldecutt
baptism/christening date:22 Jan 1837, Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
father: Edward Caldecutt mother: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number:C02241-9, source film number:1545611

Maybe if this is George Henry senior, he named his son Arthur Edward after his father?

[malcolm99]

Searching CALDECUTT deaths between 1881 and 1901, there is a death that sticks out like a sore thumb i.e. Charles Caldecutt, age 3, Alverstoke RD, Hampshire: Sep Q 1885.
I haven’t been able to find a birth registration.

You say Florence Emily was their first child (#1) but I wonder if it could have been Charles?

There is a family called CALDECOTT who come from Basingstoke but apart from that there don't seem to be any other Caldecutt-type names in Hampshire in the 1881 & 1891 censuses

[Elma]

Thanks malcom and terrysfamily. I have plenty to digest here and I will love it. You have both been very busy on my behalf. It never ceases to amaze me, how people try so hard to help and probably others who looked but never posted. I will never know. So thanks to them as well.
Now for me back to malcom and terrysfamily posts.
ELMA

[malcolm99]

there is a death that sticks out like a sore thumb i.e. Charles Caldecutt, age 3, Alverstoke RD, Hampshire: Sep Q 1885.
I haven’t been able to find a birth registration.

You say Florence Emily was their first child (#1) but I wonder if it could have been Charles?

I'm loath to send you any more information at the moment (as you've already so much to sift through) - but wacky though this snippet may be, it would be interesting to see the baptism record for Charles Henry Dyer born Southampton RD March Q 1882