Eva List Dyer born 1862

[Elma]

I am looking for the 1891 census of Eva. She was born Eva List Dyer in Southampton. In 1882 she married Arthur Edward Caldecutt born c1863.
Arthur seems to have gone under the surname Bramall for some reason and sometimes Eva assumes this name. Their first child registered Florence Emily Caldecutt was born in 1884 and died a few weeks old, registered Florence Bramall.
Eva's husband Arthur died in 1889 registered Arthur Edward Caldcutt. He was only 26 but a will proved in 1906 left Eva £17/19- which seems a lot of money for a young couple. I know little about Arthur as he is not a direct descendant.

Eva went on to remarry a Charles Sleet in 1892 and they continued to live in Southampton for a few years after this.

I would like to find a census for 1891 probably around the Southampton area for Eva List Caldecutt/Bramall and see if I can work out anything about her first marriage. I would like to know why Arthur changed his name but maybe that is a step too far.
Any suggestions welcomed.
ELMA

[Peter Goodey]

a will proved in 1906 left Eva £17/19

I'm afraid you've misinterpreted the Probate Calendar. It was an administration, not a will. That means his estate wasn't "left" to anyone in particular but had to be distributed according to the law on intestacy.

[malcolm99]

I’ve not managed to find her in Southampton, Chertsey or anywhere else in the 1891 census but is this her son, Albert Caldicott, living with the Finch family in York Street, Southampton?: RG12 piece 915 fol. 91 p. 25

There are also these 2 sightings of Arthur>

1881 Southampton (Arthur Bramall): RG11 piece: 1207 fol. 78 p. 7
1871 Stansfield, Yorkshire(Arthur Samuel Bramall): RG10 piece 4330 fol. 42 p.36

[pippycat]

I think Ive got Eva 1871 and 1881 but so far, she's proving elusive in 1891.

The Finch family that Malcolm mentions above, I think the wife, Jessie may be your Eva's sister - because included in that household is a stepson to Henry Finch..Daniel McCarthy b1878 Southampton.
plus the Nephew Albert Caldicott b1888 Southampton.

Jessie Gawn McCarthy wed Henry James Finch Dec q 1880 Southampton 2c p67
Jessie Gawn Dyer wed John McCarthy June q 1874 Southampton 2c p79


Jessie c1855 is daughter of Ann Dyer b1833 Portsmouth on 1861 census: 682 f39 pg22

Eva c1863 is daughter of Ann Dyer b1833 Portsmouth on 1871 census: 1188 f60 pg20

Possibly they are sisters? (the Gawn surname has varied spellings!)

Don't know yet where the Bramall connection comes in, but Eva married as a Bramall to Charles Sleet in 1892 and Albert Edward Caldicott/Caldecutt appears to change his name to Bramall from 1901...after the death of his stepfather in 1889. Might be some reason behind that?

There are WW1 army records on Ancestry for Albert Edward Bramall, they also list his wife/children and marriage details .

Rebecca

[Elma]

Thanks Malcom and Pippycat, you have found out more in a few hours than I have in a week.
As for the censuses Malcom I think the 1881 in Southampton is right but the 1871 census I am not sure. Arthur Edward Caldecutt was born in Manchester if the 1881 census is correct and it stands to reason it is.

Another 1871 census is RG10 Piece: 3986 Folio: 19 Page 32. This one is for an Arthur E Caldicott, born in Manchester and living with his family in Rusholme, Lancashire This father was a book keeper. No clues here to the name Bramall. It seems Arthur moved to Southampton and by the next census he is seen using the name Bramall. For a few years he switches from Bramall to Caldecott, so perhaps not hiding the fact.

Thanks Pippycat for that information on Jessie Gawn. Ann Dyer is ( Sarah) Ann Gawn.

Arthur is seen in 1881 as Bramall that is before his marriage so I should look to his family perhaps.
Thanks again ELMA

[malcolm99]

Another 1871 census is RG10 Piece: 3986 Folio: 19 Page 32. This one is for an Arthur E Caldicott, born in Manchester and living with his family in Rusholme, Lancashire This father was a book keeper.

Elma, I'm also certain your 1871 Census is the right one.

Arthur Edward Caldecutt born Manchester RD Sept Q, 1861.
Then the 1871 Census.

Then in Sept Q 1871 in Chorlton RD Emily Caldecutt (his mother) dies age 33.

In Dec Q 1872 in Manchester RD George Henry (the father) marries either Hannah YATES or Elizabeth HARRIS.

The funny thing is that the whole of George Henry’s family then seems to disappear off the face of the earth, except for Arthur. Where did they go?.

[terrysfamily]

George Henry Caldecutt marries Elizabeth Harris. at St. John, Manchester. I think Elizabeth had been married previously as she is also down as Elizabeth Barker.

LancashireBMD

[Elma]

Thanks Malcom and Terrysfamily. The monkey is always a special visitor.

I only wondered about that 1871 census but now I feel a little more confident. As for what happened to the family I wonder, did they all go to Southampton.
A book keeper seems quite a learned job for the time? Does Bramall sound an English name?
A family cant disappear? I think they have the answer I want!
Thanks again ELMA

[malcolm99]

On the 1871 Census there is a THOMAS E CALDECUTT born c.1868. The only birth in the GRO Registers which matches this is Thomas Edgar Caldecutt born June Q 1867 in Manchester RD.

In the 1911 Census there is a Thomas Caldecutt, age 44, born Manchester living with wife Maria and son George (age 21) at 37 Arthur Street, Swinton: RG14 PN23579 SN254

They have been married 22 years and there is a marriage on Lancashire BMD for Thomas Caldecutt and Maria Partington at Barton-on-Irwell in 1888.

As there is no other birth for a Thomas Caldecutt registered between 1860 & 1892 I think this must be the Thomas Caldecutt of the 1871 census. The marriage certificate may give some interesting information.
The 1901 census ref seems to be RG13 piece 3655 fol. 24 p. 40

[malcolm99]

George CALDECUTT was born Sep Q 1889 in Barton upon Irwell RD and there is this on Lancashire OPC>

Baptisms: 2 Oct 1889 St John the Baptist, Little Hulton, Lancashire, England
George Caldicott - Child of Thomas Caldicott & Maria
Abode: Thorpe St.
Occupation: Collier
Baptised by: M. S. Munroe
Register: Baptisms 1861 - 1903, Page 119, Entry 945
Source: Original Register Manchester Central Library