Mary Ann Trethowan - born about 1828

[lesleys]

And just to confuse matters when Ann Trethowan married Richard Joseph Matthews Angove in 1849 at Truro her father's name is given as William!

[lesleys]

The young Grace Rowe would have been the daughter of Sarah (1806) anf Henry Row who married in 1833 - yet another daughter of John Snr

there were in total 9 children baptised at Constantine to John & Grace! and Grace was not one of them which is a bit odd.
Ah - she was baptised at Mullion as Trethowing!

and I was wrong about the 8 yr old Mary Ann (post 10)- she was the daughter of Richard & Elizabeth I'm not sure how they fit.

[Colin Rowledge]

There should be Colin - fingers crossed!

Hopefully.

Should we just wait the 2 weeks or so and then resume this thread/search?

Colin

[MarkJ]

Hopefully.

Should we just wait the 2 weeks or so and then resume this thread/search?

Colin

Sounds like a plan!

We can see what information you get from the certificate and then push on from there.

[pippycat]

Colin, something for you to consider:

"Manaccan strays" (can google it) - people living in Manaccan in 1861 but born elsewhere:

Mary Trethewan born Constantine
The reference leads straight to the 1861 census that you have (p1557 f17 pg5) for Mary A Jory.


This may shed some light on the Gertrude mystery:

Cornwal opc has a marriage for John Trethowan to Gertrude Williams wid on 29 Dec 1791 Manaccan


- Also states parish registers in a very poor condition with many years missing and "Familysearch/IGI has almost all baps available on-line, whereas marriages are few" just what you need to hear!

Rebecca

[MarkJ]

Yes, I saw the Gertrude and John marriage in 1791, but assumed it was not the parents of Mary Ann because they would have been too old.
I think it is John's (Marys father?) parents as suggested by lesleys.

You don't make these easy do you Colin!

[Colin Rowledge]

You don't make these easy do you Colin!

Of course not - it wouldn't be any fun now, would it?

[Colin Rowledge]

Thanks again, both of you.

Certificate ordered as suggested - just hope there is a father named or we will never find her prior to marriage.

Colin

The marriage certificate for Mary Ann Trethowan has arrived. It looks like I've been chasing shadows!!!!

Need time to think on this.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Mary Ann's father was a Master Carpenter and living at the time of the marriage. John indicated that his father was named John and a Farmer but deceased. John's occupation was a Lead Miner.

In the 1861 census, John, Mary Ann and their 3 children are living in St. Allen along with with Jane [his mother] age 73 and indicated as unmarried.

A baptism for John, indicated that he was a bastard child of Jane, born about about abt. 1828 in St. Allen and that his father was John Cock, a farmer.

My thinking is that Jane told him his father was John a farmer, John told the Registrar this when he and Mary Ann married, but because John could neither read nor write, he had no idea what went into the record and just made his mark because he was told to.

Logical, or is there another explanation?

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Mary Ann's father was a Master Carpenter and living at the time of the marriage.

Colin

While waiting for a response to post #19, I went looking for Mary Ann in the years before her marriage. What I found has not helped!!

Her father's name [she states] was William Trethowan. The Trethowan name is prominent in Constantine, which is where Mary Ann was supposedly born. At the time of her marriage, which took place in the Register Office in the town of Falmouth, she was aged 23and signed with a Mark.

I found a William Trethowan with a spouse Ann Sara in Constantine and 2 children named William age 5 and Sarah age 2 in the 1841 census. He was a Carpenter. The reference is H0107, Piece 136, Book 7, Folio 56, Page 19. In 1851 he and Ann Sara had several more children - Mary J. age 9, Loveday age 6, Emma age 4 and John age 1. Still in Constantine, a Carpenter and his age is stated as 45 [birth approx. 1806]. The refernce is H0107, Piece 1911, Folio 689, Page 19

No sign of Mary Ann - so where was she hiding? Eventually, I found her. In the 1841 census - H0107, Piece 136, Book 7, Folio 38, Page 15. No indication as to relationship of course. The household consisted of Richard Trethowan [60], a Stomemason, Elizabeth [59], Eliza [23], Philippa [19], George [16] and Mary Ann [8]. By 1851 - reference H0107, Piece 1911, Folio 652, Page 20 - Richard [71], Elizabeth [69], Philipp [28] and 2 granddaughters Mary A. [18] and Mary [4].

William is definitely the son of Richard and Elizabeth. He was baptised in Constantine on September 22, 1805. William married Ann Sara Hoare on March 23, 1835 in Mylor. Ann Sara is unlikely to be Mary Ann's mother and that Ann Sara didn't want William's daughter with them and so she was raised by her grandparents.

So who was Mary Ann's mother? I went looking for a baptism in Constantine to match to her projected age at time of marriage. There was one that looked promising - January 26, 1834 - a daughter of William and Ann. The residence was Trebewartha, Constantine - but William's occupation was a Farmer. During the 1830's this William and Ann baptised 6 children. As a result, I think this isn't my Mary Ann's baptism.

Colin