Mary Ann Trethowan - born about 1828

[Colin Rowledge]

Hate me if you will, folks, but I need to ignore posts 1-12 - for now, anyway. The arrival of certificate -see posts 19 and 20 have already destroyed much of what I had received from so-called 'Reliable Sources"

Still coming to terms with what I now have and how to proceed.

To this post, I appreciate ideas.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Hate me if you will, folks, but I need to ignore posts 1-12 - for now, anyway. The arrival of certificate -see posts 19 and 20 have already destroyed much of what I had received from so-called 'Reliable Sources"

Still coming to terms with what I now have and how to proceed.

To this post, I appreciate ideas.

Colin

To clarify - Reliable Sources!! It wasn't meant to imply that the posts of others were misleading. The material that I posted at the outset was gleaned from correspomdence my mother received in the 1970's about her family and was from a Genealogist Service that she had hired. She spent several hundreds of dollars for this back then and much of what it contained has been discounted by the purchase of BMD's and checking OPC records.

This is why I believe that maybe William [named as her father in the marriage certificate] is correct and that he fathered Mary Ann before he married Ann Sara Hoare in 1835. As there doesn't appear to be a baptism in the area that fits a time-frame, my suspicion is that Ann Sara was not the mother and that William was residinf with his parents, Richard and Elizabeth.

I'm still optimistic that I/we will figure out all the relationships of the Trethowan's above, but for now want to concentrate on this particular area.

Please bear in mind that neither John or Mary Ann could read or write and so answered the questions that were raised at the Register Office when they married. John was asked his surname and he answered Jury but the Registrar wrote it as Jewry. He was also aked the name of his father which was John and that he was a Farmer and deceased. This was then what the Registrar wrote. In actual fact, John was the illegitimate son of Jane. His baptism record shows him to be illegitimate and she named the father as John Cock a Farmer.

Colin

[pippycat]

Colin, I found the following on Familysearch: relates to thread 10

John Trethowan chr 14 June 1772 Constantine / d. 3 Sept 1858 Constantine

Father: Nicholas Trethowan Chr 6 Aug 1737 Constantine
Mother: Jane Tressider c1741 Constantine

Wife: Grace Cock c1772 Constantine / d. 2 Feb 1832 Constantine
marriage date: 5 Jan 1792 Constantine

Children of John and Grace:
(all christening dates)

William 10 Mar 1794 Constantine / d 17 Dec 1871 Calmansack
John 29 Apr 1792 Constantine
Grace 28 Dec 1795 Mullion
Jane 5 Aug 1798 Cornwall
Tryphena 14 Sept 1800 Cornwall
Mary 1 Jan 1803 Cornwall
Nicholas 11 Mar 1804 Cornwall
Sarah 14 Dec 1806 Cornwall
James 12 Mar 1809 Constantine
Ann 1 Jan 1812 / d. abt 1848 both Constantine


Only found 2 baps for Grace Cock:

1. Grace Cock 17 Sept 1771 Mullion Father: John
2. Grace Cock 6 June 1772 Gwithian Parents: Benjamin + Elizabeth.
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Marriage for William Trethowan to Anne Tippett 4 July 1814 Constantine

possible children:Bap dates

Jane 11 Mar 1827 Mawnan
Christian 26 Jan 1834 Constantine
Mary 26 Jan 1834 Constantine
Samuel Tippet 14 Oct 1835 Constantine
Edwin 3 Sept 1837 Constantine

All born to William Trethowan, wife Ann. Farmer abode: Trewartha

There's also Hester 13 June 1841 and Susanna 13 July 1846 Lamorran
to William Trethowan and Ann. Farmer - dont know if these are connected to same family.
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Re: thread 11

I was wondering if Ann Trethowan who wed Richard JM Angove, and gave her father's name as William, could possibly be the daughter of the above William c1794 ...still makes her the G/daughter of John - assuming the info is correct of course!

Rebecca

Forgot to add: the parents of Nicholas Trethowan c1737

Father: John Trethowan c1700 Constantine
Mother: Mary Bartill c1704 Constantine
Married: 4 Sept 1725 Constantine

[Colin Rowledge]

This family is givng me a real head-ache. I believe they are all connected some where along the line,

The only Mary Ann that matches the marriage certificate is the one that was living in 1841 and 1851 with her grandparents - Richard and Elizabeth nee Pascoe. Richard and Elizabeth had a son William who was baptised on September 22, 1805.William married Ann Sara Hoare on March 23, 1835 in Mylar, Cornwall. At the time of the 1841 census, he and Ann Sara had 2 children William age 3 and Sarah age 2.In both the 1841 and 1851 census William's occupation is a Carpenter

Back to Richard and Elizabeth and their granddaughter. In addition to William [1805] they had 9 other children and baptisms have been found. Their 1st child was named Nicholas [possibly named after Richard's father]. Earlier baptisms didn't include the occupation, but the baptisms after 1814 did - which indicated he was a Farmer and the family residence was Melensey, Constantine. At home [in 1841] were 3 children- Eliza [23], Philippa [19] and George [16] along with Mary Ann. Richard's occupation is now a Stonemason. In 1851 only child at home is Philippa [28] but she is unmarried and has a 4 year old daughter and Mary Ann is still there as well. Richard's occupation is still a Stonemason.

I really believe that William who married Ann Sara is Mary Ann's father. There is no baptism for he and as she wasn't baptised, I believe that was the reson for the Register Office wedding

I have Richard's marriage to Elizabeth Pascoe in Constantine on February 16, 1803 and a tree on A. states his parents were Nicholas and Jane nee Tresidder.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

I think I may have resolved the circumstances of Mary Ann's birth and baptism [or lack thereof]. I am also aware that some folks will think I have bent the circumstances/facts to produce the results I want.

What is known is that from her marriage certificate and census records throughout her life, she was aged 23 when she married [1855], she named her father as William a Carpenter, she lived with her grandparents in 1841 and 1851 and that her place of birth was Grade, Cornwall.

I had initially searched for a baptism in Constantine, which was where she was living in both 1841 and 1851. Nothing showed up on the OPC database and the Cornwall Records Office in Falmouth could find no trace of a baptism.

I then looked at the family of William and discovered he had a younger sister named Elizabeth who was not living at home at the time of the 1841 census.

I couldn't find Elizabeth in 1841 [when she would have been age 26]. In 1832, Elizabeth was age 17, so I thought that she may have died after the birth of Mary Ann and that Mary Ann was her illegitimate daughter.That idea was scotched when she [Elizabeth] was found in 1851 working as a Cook in Falmouth and was single and born in Constantine in 1815 and was baptised by her parents Richard and Elizabeth on 9 July 1815. It then looked like her parents kicked her out for bringing 'shame to the family'. That looked a distinct possibility until I found that a younger sister of Elizabeth - named Philippa - had an illegitimate daughter in 1846 and that Philippa and her daughter were living with Richard and Elizabeth in 1851. It therefore seemed unlikely that the parents would treat both girls differently.

Could William who was born in 1805 be her father? His life is detailed above with his marriage to Ann Sara Hoare in 1835.

I then looked for a baptism in Grade for a Trethowan child between 1832 and 1836 and none were found to fit. Next I used just the given names of Mary Ann and one popped up - in 1833. A Mary Ann the illegitimate child of Mary Hitchins was baptized on April 7, 1833. Mary Ann and her mother were living at the Grade Poorhouse at that time. 3 years later - in 1836, Mary Hitchins had another child and it would appear that Mary named the father. This baptism was on May 29 and the child was named Jane NICHOLLS Hitchins. Neither Mary nor Jane Nicholls Hitchins appear to be in the Grade Poorhouse at the time of the 1841 census.

This led me to conclude that, since there were no deaths in Grade that matched that she and Jane had left - possibly with Mr. Nicholls - and he didn't want the other child - Mary Ann. So how did a Mary Ann show up in the 1841 census with her grandparents in Constantine? If this is the same child as was baptized in 1833, the following is my theory.

William in early 1830's was a Journeyman Carpenter. Grade is not an insurmountable distance from Constantine and he was working in or near the Poorhouse. During the time prior to Mary Ann's birth he and Mary Hitchins got together. One thing led to another and after he left the area, Mary Ann was born. At some point after Mary Hitchins left the Poorhouse, Mary Ann was left in their care and they 'discovered' he likely father, who by this time had married Ann Sara. Rather than come clean with Ann Sara, he took Mary Ann to his parents who agreed to raise her and he contributed a little towards her upkeep.

That is how I think it happened.

Colin

[MaryB]

Have just discovered I am connected to this family Ann who married Henry Pearce

[Colin Rowledge]

Have just discovered I am connected to this family Ann who married Henry Pearce

Hello MaryB and Happy New Year.

Anne Trethowan is my 4X great-grand Aunt.

I have yet to extablish anything on her after he marriage to Henry Pearce, but am willing to share anything that may be of interest to you with regard to the rest of the famil - including her parents who are my 5X great-grandparents.

Tou may contact me by p/m and if you include your email address, I'll respond

Colin

[MaryB]

I have copy Henry's will and photo of the Inn he owned - found a lot of info on line as well. I am descended from george pearce Henry/Ann's son