Mary Ann Trethowan - born about 1828

[Colin Rowledge]

I have now received the birth certificate of Elizabeth Jory/Jury/Jewry. Pick any one of the surnames - 'tis a royal pain!!

She is the daughter of John and Mary Ann and was born April 20, 1862 in St. Allen. John is indicated as a Lead Miner. He was the person who registered the birth on May 28, 1862 and rather than sign, he made his mark.

The 1861 census - RG9/1557/17/5 - has the family living at Trenery Cottage, Roskief[?], St. Allen and it was at Trenery Cottage that Elizabeth was born. Mary Ann, the spouse, is enumerated as being born in Manaccan about 1828.

The 1871 census - RG10/2280/17/4 - has the family now living at Penglaze, St. Allen. The surname has been enumerated as JOREY

The 1881 census - RG11/2330/91/4 - has the family living at 8 Hoskings Row, Redruth. Her stated age gives an indication of born in 1830 in Manaccan. John, her spouse is now a Tin Miner. Of the 8 children, 5 are still at home. The youngest is William age 6 and born in St. Allen. The surname is now back to Jory.

John, her spouse dies in 1889. He was living at Hoskings Row when he died and was buried on November 28, 1889.

The 1891 census - RG12/1846/93/4 - has the youngest son, William an older brother John living with his married sister Elizabeth and her spouse along with their 2 children, at 8 Hoskings Row Redruth. The surname is now enumerated as JURY. I cannot find Mary Ann.

A death for Mary Ann is recorded as Mary JURY in Redruth 4th q. 1897 in Redruth. Her age is stated as 70 which indicates a birth about 1827.

My problem is that I cannot find any trace of her prior to her marriage. The only marriage that fits is the one as follows:
Apr-Jun q. 1855 in Falmouth RD vol.5c page 341. The only male on the page is a John Jewry. I know that neither John nor Mary Ann could sign their names so the register was obviously - possibly - mis-quoting his surname. Falmouth RD covered Manaccan which was where she was born, but is a heck of a way, I believe from St. Allen, when John was born and where they resided in 1861.

Their 1st child named Simon was born and baptised in St. Allen October 5, 1856 and other children were born in St. Allen.

Buying the marriage certificate will, if it is the correct marriage provide hopefully a father's name, however since I cannot find a baptism for her in Manaccan or nearby parishes, I would like to ask for assistance before I make such a purchase.

Colin

[MarkJ]

Jonathon Mayne (19 June 1831) and Josiah Mayne (12 January 1834) are the only Trethowans I can find between 1817 and the end of 1839 in the Manaccan parish baptisms Colin. Both have parents John and Gertrude. Father is a mariner.

Initial thoughts -
Possible remarriage for Gertrude and her female child took surname of new husband
or
Maybe simply born/bapt elsewhere but didn't know as moved when young

A look at the 1841 census for Manaccan, shows the family of John (with sons Josiah and Jonathon) but with a new wife (called Mary) and a new baby, so quite possible Mary Ann was sent away....
I can't find an obvious 1841 entry in Cornwall for her....

St Allen to Manaccan isn't horrendously far by the way

And I know about Jory/Jury/all sorts of other "interesting" spellings as I have a (slight) connection the the Jory family.

A quick scan through FreeCEN shows 3 Mary Trethowan entries, one is a baby, but the other two are an 8 year old and a 13 year old, both in Constantine.Wonder if Mary has a mis-spelled surname in the 1841?

[lesleys]

John Trethowan married Mary Mayne 3 Sep 1821 at Constantine.
she was probably the daughter of Jonathan & Jane b abt 1797.
John & Mary's children were - John, James Mayn Rodd, Jonathan Mayne, Josiah Mayne and Alfred - all bap at Manaccan or Constantine.
I think the Gertrude was a transcription or register Error - as I think Gertrude was John's mother. (baptism of John to John & Gertrude 1795)
Like you Mark I cant find a Mary or Mary An who fits the bill - looks like the certificate may be the only way to identify her.

[Colin Rowledge]

1st of all and most importantly, I want to thank Mark and Lesleys for eliminating a couple of possible Mary's. As a result, I think the following looks promising - what do you think?

1841 Census
RG-H0107, Piece 136, Book/Folio 7/12, Page 16
John Trethowan age 65 - Farmer
John Trethowan age 45 - Farmer
Grace Trethowan age 40
Ann Trethowan age 25
Anne Trethowan age 20
Henry Trethowan age 15
Mary Trethowan age 13
James Truscott age 8
Grace Rowe age 2
Richard Exelbay age 20
William Lawrence age 10
The residence is a farm known as Higher Calmansack, Constantine

1851 Census
RG H0107, Piece 1911, Book 631, Page 10

John Trethowan - Widower - age 79 - Farmer
Grace Trethowan - Unmarried - Daughter - age 54 - born Mullion
Walter Truscott - Unmarried - Grandson - age 24 - born Falmouth
Mary Trethowan - Unmarried - Granddaughter - age 20 - born Constantine
Ann Angove - Married - Grandaughter - age 29 - born Mawnan
Mary A T Angove - no relation stated - age 1 - born Constantine
Grace Rowe - Granddaughter - age 12 - born Constantine
William Courtes - Servant - age 17 - born Constantine
Residence was a farm known as Higher Calmansack, Constantine.

All referenes are Crown Copyright - TNA.

There are I think some errors in either enumeration schedule or in the transcription. Here is how I think things evolved within the family unit:
Grace Trethowan is the widow of John, son of John aged 79. She is the mother of Walter Truscott age 29 in 1851 and the mother of James age 8 in 1841. At this point, I don't know if she was previously married and so cannot say if Truscott was her married or maiden name, however I am almost certain that they married after 1833.

Mary Trethowan is the daughter of John and an unknown spouse and died prior to John's marriage to Grace.

Ann Angove is the Anne age 20 in 1841 and like Mary is the daughter of John and an unknown mother. It appears that Anne may be or have married a Mr. Angove and that Mary A.T. is their child and therefore John age 79 is her great grandfather.

Grace Rowe age 2 in 1841 and 12 in 1851 is probably the daughter of Ann Trethowan age 25 in 1841 and has therefore the same relationship to John age 79 as Mary A.T. Angove.

Colin

[MarkJ]

I think the Gertrude was a transcription or register Error - as I think Gertrude was John's mother. (baptism of John to John & Gertrude 1795)

Perhaps, but I took the details from the parish register, rather than a transcript and both entries, seperated by two and a half years, state John and Gertrude as the parents.... strange eh?

Like Lesleys,I think that you really need the certificate Colin before we can be certain about Mary Ann. I would hate for you to assume something and then, after a lot of effort, discover you followed the wrong person. There seem to be several Trethowans around the Helford/Constantine area and, although possibly all related, we need to be sure the right branch is chosen.

[lesleys]

unknown wife of John would be Ann (marriage not yet found) see baptism of Ann at Mawnan 20 May 1821

[Colin Rowledge]

Thanks again, both of you.

Certificate ordered as suggested - just hope there is a father named or we will never find her prior to marriage.

Colin

[MarkJ]

There should be Colin - fingers crossed!

[lesleys]

Walter Truscott (butcher of Falmouth) m Mary Trethowan (spinster) 22 Apr 1823 at Constantine - one witness John Trethowan -
so Grace is more likely the Unmarried daughter of John Snr ( and died age 77 in Falmouth (burial 1872)

There are two Ann Trethowan burials - one age 34 in 1848 and one age 75 of Calamansack in Mar 1871 - if this is the wife of John jnr where was she in 1861? I haven't looked yet.

[lesleys]

Ok: the second Ann was wife of William who was Grace's brother see RG 9; Piece: 1568; Folio: 89; Page: 12 transcribed Tretholdan at Ancestry (their daughter Mary is the 8 yr old Mark found in 1841).

in 1841, At 25 the first Ann is a bit young to have been the mother of Mary , I wonder how many other children John Snr had that we haven't found yet? Nicholas 1804 & James 1809 are both possible time to check them out?