looking for info on John Griffin family

[malcolm99]

Hi ...I think John was born in Newcastle under Lyme...and that his family came from Ireland possibly...not sure...his father was John Griffin and his mother Bridget Mulraney...at least this is what I have come to believe nothing written in stone of course...glenda

Well there is a marriage of John GRIFFIN and Bridget MULREANEY in Newcastle under Lyme, Staffordshire in March Quarter, 1859 [vol.6b p. 105].

...and there is a birth for a John Griffin registered in Newcastle Under Lyme Registration District in March Quarter 1862 [vol.6b p.58].

The birth date doesn't match up with the other birth date given for John (August 1863) - where did you hear that his father was John Griffin and his mother Bridget Mulraney?

[malcolm99]

Have sent you a PM about John Henry Griffin

[malcolm99]

Have sent you a PM about James Henry Griffin but have stupidly headed it John Henry Griffin!

[malcolm99]

So, having avoided posting info about possible living persons.....if Henry Griffin is James Henry Griffin and was born in Dec Q 1904 [vol.2b p. 16] then he will more than likely be the James Henry Griffin who died in Hastings RD, June Quarter 1975 [vol.18 p. 1050]. That index entry gives his date of birth as 27 September 1904.

We know his wife seems to have been Jessie Elizabeth Goodsell who was born Hastings RD, Sep Q 1902 [vol.2b p. 22] and this is confirmed in her death registration in Hastings & Rother RD, January 1986 [vol.18 p.1058 Reg. No. 186] which gives her date of birth as 15 July 1902.

Note that there is a Jessie Evelyn Goodsell born in Battle RD, March Q, 1900 [vol.2b p.58] but she doesn’t appear to be connected to the Griffin family.

Added: Your Jessie Goodsell appears to be on the 1911 Census at RG14 PN4738 SN242

[malcolm99]

Apologies for the deluge of PMs but at least you now know you have a “Second Cousin Once Removed“ in Hastings. I hope you’re able to contact her without much difficulty.

[glendagriffin]

I will have to go back thru my papers re how I came up with Mulraney...where did you find the marriage entry in 1859 in Newcastle under L...glenda

[malcolm99]

Hello Glenda

I found it on the GRO Indexes but you can find it on
https://www.
freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Once again it's an assumption unless we can see the original marriage entry or an official marriage certificate.

[malcolm99]

1911 Census>

Residence: All Saints Street, Hastings

They have been married 22 years and have had 6 children of whom 3 are still living.

John Griffin, age 48, Road Sweeper (and Fish Shop Owner?), born Newcastle(?) [probably incorrect]
Mrs Griffin, wife, age 41, born Hastings, Clements.
Johney (sic) Griffin, son, age 12, born Hastings, Clements.
Henry Griffin, age 6, son, born Hastings, Clements.
Annie Griffin, daughter, age 21, single, born Hastings.

Have a look at these previous Censuses and see what you think. I can’t guarantee they’re the right ones. There are obvious anomalies, but then there often are on census returns:

1901 Census: RG13 Piece 870 fol.10 p.11
Address: 8, Market Street, Hastings St Mary Magdalen

John Griffin, Head, married, age 39, Gentlemen's Lavatory Attendant, born New Market Query Camb
Warwickshire
Elizabeth Griffin, wife, married, age 33, born Hastings
Annie Griffin, daughter, age 11, born Hastings
John H Griffin, son, age 2, born Hastings


>Annie Elizabeth Griffin born Hastings RD, June Q 1890 [vol.2b p. 21]

>John Henry Griffin born Hastings RD, Dec Q 1898 [vol.2b p. 26]



1891 Census: RG12 Piece 759 fol.34 p.30
Address: 6, Meadows Cottages, Hastings

John Griffen, Head, married, age 26, General Labourer, born Shoreham, Sussex
Elizabeth Griffen, wife, married, age 23, born Hastings
Anne Griffen, daughter, age 1, born Hastings

[malcolm99]

The interesting bit is whether the following are relevant to the censuses in the previous post?

1881 Census: RG11 Piece 2700 fol. 53 p. 42
Address: Court 3, House 3, Lower Street, Newcastle under Lyme

John Griffin, Head, married, age 39, Labourer in Iron Works, born Galway, Ireland
Bridget Griffin, wife, married, age 36, born Roscommon, Staffordshire
Thomas Griffin, son, single, age 21, Labourer in Iron Works, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Mary Griffin, daughter, single, age 18, Domestic Servant, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Bridget Griffin, daughter, single, age 16, Silk Winder, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
John Griffin, son, age 14, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
William Griffin, son, age 12, scholar, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Patrick Griffin, son, age 8, scholar, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Ann Griffin, daughter, age 4, scholar, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Ellen Griffin, daughter, age 2, born Newcastle, Staffordshire


1871 Census: RG10 Piece 2833 fol. 74 p. 44
Address: Lovatt's Yard, Newcastle Under Lyme

John Griffin, Head, married, age 35, Forger Mill Man, born Ireland
Bridget Griffin, wife, married, age 34, born Ireland
Thomas Griffin, son, age 11, scholar, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Mary Griffin, daughter, age 8, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Bridget Griffin, daughter, age 6, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
John Griffin, son, age 5, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
William Griffin, son, age 3, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Michael Griffin, son, age 9 months, born Newcastle, Staffordshire



1861 Census: RG9 Piece 1916 fol. 6 p. 6
Address: Pepper Street, Newcastle Under Lyme

John Griffen, Head, married, age 24, General Labourer , born ,Ireland
Bridget Griffen, wife, married, age 22, born Ireland
Thomas Griffen, son, age 1, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Patrick Scully, visitor, married, age 40, General Labourer , born Ireland
Bridget Scully, visitor, married, age 20, born Ireland
Mary Scully, visitor, age 2, born Newcastle, Staffordshire
Anne Scully, visitor, age 11 months, born Newcastle, Staffordshire

[malcolm99]

1881 Census: RG11 Piece 2700 fol. 53 p. 42
Address: Court 3, House 3, Lower Street, Newcastle under Lyme

John Griffin, Head, married, age 39, Labourer in Iron Works, born Galway, Ireland
Bridget Griffin, wife, married, age 36, born Roscommon, Staffordshiree

My mistake - Bridget was born Roscommon, Ireland