Missing Child from 1911 Census??

[JillyNutton]

Hi,

The 1911 census finally confirmed the location my husband's grandparents - Thomas (b. 1873 Sutton in Ashfield) and Harriet Evans (b. 1886 Stanley near Wakefield). They were living at 12 The Ridge, Woodlands Nr. Doncaster with Thomas's sister in law Emma Evans and her children.

But.... they seem to missing their own children. We know that they had at least one if not two daughters by 1911 - Harriet Hannah b. 1909 and possibly Ethel (not sure of her birth year). I've tried searching for Harriet Hannah in the 1911 census but just can't find her.

I know I have the right Thomas & Harriet as their details including their address are listed on Harriet Hannah's baptism record in 1909 and she lived to be a ripe old age. Also, Thomas and Harriet do not list any children, living or dead from their marriage on the 1911 census - or how long they had been married.

It looks as if Harriet possibly had a her son, Harry out of wedlock as in 1911 he is staying with Thomas's parents in Mexborough but is called Harry Limb (Harriet's maiden name) - but where are the girls?? Can anyone point me in the right direction to find them?

thanks
Jill

[Ladkyis]

If the person that filled in the Census return was Thomas's sister then it could be that she just forgot to put the children on, you know, that she didn't know the correct ages or exactly how long Thomas had been married so she left it blank for Thomas to fill in and he never did.

[JillyNutton]

Thanks Ladkyis

I think you may be right, literacy levels were probably not brilliant then and also thinking about our last census in 2011, does (or did) anyone actually check the accuracy of the content?

Also, makes me wonder where Joseph, Thomas's brother was? Finding a bit of information always seems to create more questions than answers!

[geneius]

possibly Ethel (not sure of her birth year).

Per Freebmd.org.uk there is this birth

Ethel EVANS 01 April - 30 June 1911 Doncaster 9c 311 ( census date was 2 April 1911) debatable as to whether she would be around on census date!

[JillyNutton]

Per Freebmd.org.uk there is this birth

Ethel EVANS 01 April - 30 June 1911 Doncaster 9c 311 ( census date was 2 April 1911) debatable as to whether she would be around on census date!

There are two Ethel Evan's born within 2 years of each other 1909 and 1911 - wasn't sure which one was which.

Just had a look at the 1911 census again - the enumerator page for the house states that it is the household of J Evans - yet Joseph isn't listed and Thomas is listed as the head.

Jill

[jack66]

another reason for people not being on censuses is that they may not of been at home that night but staying elsewhere and would have to put the address of where they stayed that night

[JillyNutton]

Thanks Jack,

I wonder if its a combination of things - ie. perhaps Joseph, Emma's husband was away and perhaps Thomas and Harriet didn't add their children (or child).

I've been trying to piece my mother-in-law's family - and Evans is such a common name that its practically been impossible. We know that Thomas had 9 children (my mother-in-law being one). I was hoping to gather more info from the 1911 census but looks as if I may have to wait till the 1921 census :-(.

We've found the following children:

Harry b1905 (called Harry Limb stopping at grandparents in 1911)
Harriet Hannah b(1909) - from baptism records
Ethel - not confirmed but as geneius mentioned could be 1911
Emma - 1915 (from BMD)
Sarah - 1916 (my mother in law)
Alice - 1919 (BMD)
Edith - 1922 (BMD)
Joyce - 1925 (BMD

My mother in law called the missing sister Ginnie - but I can't find her as Ginnie or Virginnia, we don't know she was born but know that Thomas and Harriet were married in 1907, so Ginnie could have been born before Harriet and possibly in Mexborough??

So any pointers would be welcome!

thanks
Jill

[Tinker]

Just a thought, Jill. Could Ginnie be a variation on 'Jenny' which is another form of Jane/Janet? My mum had an Aunt Jenny who turned out to be named Jane Elizabeth, which we only discovered after much head scratching. It won't help your search much, given the number of Jane Evanses you'd have to wade through, but on the other hand, it could open up the possibilities slightly.

[JillyNutton]

Eureka!! I found Ginnie - her name was actually Eliza Jane born 1904. I was thrown off as there were two Eliza Jane Evans - both Thomas and Harriet and Joseph and Emma each one! I knew the names of some of Ginnie's children so was able to move forward and check.

Thanks Tinker - you helped point me in a slightly different direction!

Jill

[Tinker]

That's brilliant!! It's so good to finally find that missing rellie, as I know from past experience. I'm really glad I was able to help!