Barb, that would be great! Unfortunately that's all the info I have on Herbert. Apparently, Herbert was my friend's cousin's biological father, but the cousin's mother only revealed the details just before she died in 1999. I'm presuming the mother had a brief relationship with Herbert while he was in Mende, then Herbert went back to America without knowing his lady friend was pregnant, and got on with the rest of his life. (I'm not sure if the cousin is looking for info on Herbert just out of personal interest, or with the intention of making contact with 'long lost' family, at this stage.)
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17-03-2012, 1:12 PM #11TinkerGuest
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17-03-2012, 1:27 PM #12
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You may have found this too.
I Googled the address plus Jaffe and came up with student directory for Columbia University 1934/35. The entry reads NY Jaffe, Herbert B nc 1500 Thieriot Av.
https://www.
ebooksread.com/authors-eng/columbia-university/catalogue-volume-19341935-ulo/page-85-catalogue-volume-19341935-ulo.shtml
Seems to be there in 1936/37 too.
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17-03-2012, 1:55 PM #13TinkerGuest
Grisel, you're a genius. I hadn't thought of trying that combination! I will go off and have a look at that, and see what else there is.
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17-03-2012, 4:20 PM #14TinkerGuest
Grisel, thanks to your help, I found the Teacher's College of Columbia University website, complete with list of past alumni. Herbert B. Jaffe attained a B.S. (Bachelor of Science, I presume) in 1939, and an M.A. in 1940. Do you think the University would pass on details of past students in the form of a potted biography? I doubt they'd give out too much in the way of personal info. If I can find out what Herbert's second name is, it might help to narrow down the list of possibles, at any rate!
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18-03-2012, 1:51 PM #15bamagirlGuest
Hi, Tinker.
Here's a link to the USGenWeb Archives for New York State (note lack of www in URL):
https://
usgwarchives.net/ny/nyfiles.htm
The search engine looks across all counties, which in NYC is helpful. I think if you keep it broad, say to just the surname, you may find some information to help you there.
There's a WWII Enlistment listing for a Herbert B Jaffe in this file from the Bronx:
https://
files.usgwarchives.net/ny/bronx/military/ww2/enlistment/armyenli262gmt.txt
Regards,
Barb
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18-03-2012, 3:42 PM #16TinkerGuest
Thanks, Barb. With some rather unladylike swearing, I did eventually manage to get onto the site, and found the link, so we now know he enlisted 6 August 1941 and was definitely born in New York, rather than just 'from' there, which helps.
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18-03-2012, 4:56 PM #17
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I had another look at Ancestry. Assuming that you have now definately decided that he was Herbert B Jaffe then there is an entry in the US Social Security Death Index which could be him:
Name Herbert B. Jaffe
Birth Date 26 Apr 1916
Death Date 7 Sep 2002
Last Residence Roselle, Union, New Jersey
There are no Herbert B Jaffes listed in the 1920 or 1930 Census.
The 1920 Census is supposed to reflect the state of affairs as at 1 Jan 1920, so on that basis Herbert, born 1916 would be about 3 years and 9 months, so he could have been listed as 3 or 4 i.e. born 1916 or 1917. There are 3 possibles offered up in 1920:
Name: Herbert Jaffe
Age: 4
Birth Year: abt 1916
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: North Hempstead, Nassau, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Michael Jaffe
Father's Birthplace: Russia
Mother's Name: Tillie Jaffe
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Household Members:
Michael Jaffe 30
Tillie Jaffe 25
Alfred Jaffe 5
Herbert Jaffe 4
Name: Herbert Joffe [Herbert Jaffe]
Age: 4 [4 2/12]
Birth Year: abt 1916 [abt 1915]
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 4, Kings, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Samual Joffe
Father's Birthplace: Russia
Mother's Name: Rebbeca Joffe
Mother's Birthplace: Russia
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Samual Joffe 36
Rebbeca Joffe 38
George Joffe 12
Herbert Joffe 4 [4 2/12]
Name: Herbert Jaffe [Herbert Gaff]
Age: 3
Birth Year: abt 1917
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: Bronx Assembly District 5, Bronx, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Nathan Jaffe
Father's Birthplace: Russia
Mother's Name: Ray Jaffe
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Household Members: Name Age
Nathan Jaffe 30
Ray Jaffe 27
Herbert Jaffe 3
Mildred Jaffe 2
Of these I would focuss on the last, because they are in the Bronx and he enlisted in WW2 in the Bronx. The 1940 US census is due to be published next month, so if you remind me then I can have a look in that.
The other thing to remember is that his enlistment papers say that he is single and a teacher, so that should help if anyone else looks in the 1940 census.
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18-03-2012, 6:57 PM #18
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19-03-2012, 2:15 PM #19TinkerGuest
Thanks, Megan and Grisel. The middle initial seems to have crept in at a later date, as he doesn't seem to have used it when booking his passages to and from France. His birth year shows as 'about 1916' on those two Passenger List entries that positively identify him as 'our' man: my friend's cousin gave Herbert's birthdate as 15 May 1914 or 1915, but it's easy to misremember a year, and I'm not sure whether those details were written down, or just passed on orally by the mother.
I have come across the 'New Jersey' Herbert a couple of times, and suspect that the one I'm after is not that one, although, until I have concrete proof, I'm not writing him off just yet. I also came across Sam and Rebecca's boy in the 1920 and 1930 censuses, and wondered about him, too. If we could get his actual birth date, that might help to eliminate him, or not, as the case may be.
There are definite connections to the Bronx, and the Thieriot Avenue address also supports that as it appears in the New York passenger list and in the Columbia University Student Directory, although it's entirely possible the family was in the Brooklyn area pre-1937. I was particularly interested in a Herbert Jaffe, parents Herman and Anna, from that part of New York, who seemed to fulfil most of the criteria, but again, there isn't yet enough proof to positively identify him as the right Herbert!! I suspect the best option is to wait and see what the 1940 census has to say about our man, and hope fervently that he is still living with his mum and dad, or other easily identifiable family members. I'd be very grateful if any of you with access to Ancestry could look up the relevant details when the time comes, as I only have a sub to FMP.
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12-09-2012, 8:37 AM #20TinkerGuest
Update:
A very belated thank you to all of you who provided me with info on Herbert Jaffe. (I had a bereavement in the family so was tied up with paperwork, etc, until recently, which is why the delay.) It turned out that Herbert B. Jaffe was the right man after all. Thanks to everyone's help, an elderly lady has made contact for the first time with the family of the father she never knew, and she is ecstatic!
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