Workhouse births - London/Middlesex

[Colin Rowledge]

My post #9 probably doesn't make sense but I couldn't think how to phrase it. If anyone wants clarification due to possible living descendants of this family please p/m.

Colin

[Waitabit]

Just lost my post, Colin did the Lady marry in Surrey/London areas?
Was Obedience her 1st or 2nd name?

[Coromandel]

I cannot find these births on the GRO

Colin, you are going to need to give us some more clues if you want help finding them.

Whose births are you looking for? And where does Obedience fit into this story?

[Coromandel]

To make it even more of a cryptic challenge it looks like Obedience was not the first name of this girl or perhaps I should say girls? (There must be two of them to judge from these entries from FreeBMD):

Annie Obedience Gault or Goult, married in the Kensington district in 1882. Spouse either Thomas Hammond Anderton or Edward Henry Whiting. (From the index to London parish registers on Ancestry I can see that Mr Whiting was the one who married Annie.)

Annie Obedience Gault, married in the Hackney district in 1886, spouse either Leopold Edward Annoot or George Thornton Ratley (or a third person missing from the list on FreeBMD?).

Annie Obedience Whiting, aged 33, death registered in the Paddington district in the last quarter of 1894.

Annie Obedient Gault, married in the Lewisham district in the first quarter of 1902 to Albert Benjamin Jenkins OR Thomas Nicholas McLeay OR John Thomas Podger.

FamilySearch has the baptism of an Annie Obedience Gault on 16 June 1862 at Enfield St Andrew, daughter of William Charles Gault & Mary Eliza; her d.o.b. is shown as 4 April 1861. A likely looking birth registration for her is as Anne Abedience Gault, in the Edmonton district in the second quarter of 1861.

P.S. so Colin, am I right in supposing that the question behind your original question is, if there were two Annie Obedience Gaults, where is the other one's birth?

[Pam Downes]

Annie Obedience Gault, married in the Hackney district in 1886, spouse either Leopold Edward Annoot or George Thornton Ratley (or a third person missing from the list on FreeBMD?).

Annie Obedient Gault, married in the Lewisham district in the first quarter of 1902 to Albert Benjamin Jenkins OR Thomas Nicholas McLeay OR John Thomas Podger.

FreeBMD have been advised that Matilde Alexander in 1886 and Albert Benjamin Jenkins in 1902 currently have incorrect page numbers.
Pam

[Coromandel]

Thanks Pam . . . that narrows down the field. For the 1886 marriage Mr Annoot must be the correct spouse as the free FMP index to divorces shows a 1900 entry for Leopold Edwd Annoot and Annie Obedience Annoot.

As for the 1902 marriage, you have ruled out Albert Benjamin Jenkins and by the look of the 1911 census it was Thomas Nicholas McLeay who married Margaret Emily Birkin. That leaves John Thomas Podger as the one who married Annie.

The 1901 census index on FamilySearch shows Annie O. Annoot as being 26 and born in Enfield. By my calculation that's a d.o.b. of about 1875. There's a baptism of an Annie Obedience Gault on Ancestry in 1880 but I can't see the details.

[Colin Rowledge]

A lot of information in the most recent posts and also in some private messages. I will review this and just want to say a big "thank you" to those folks who have provided this.

I have been given the 'go-ahead' to provide more details than I did previously so this will be included in my responses to the posts.

Colin

[Pam Downes]

Thanks Pam . . . that narrows down the field. For the 1886 marriage Mr Annoot must be the correct spouse as the free FMP index to divorces shows a 1900 entry for Leopold Edwd Annoot and Annie Obedience Annoot.

As for the 1902 marriage, you have ruled out Albert Benjamin Jenkins and by the look of the 1911 census it was Thomas Nicholas McLeay who married Margaret Emily Birkin. That leaves John Thomas Podger as the one who married Annie.

The 1901 census index on FamilySearch shows Annie O. Annoot as being 26 and born in Enfield. By my calculation that's a d.o.b. of about 1875. There's a baptism of an Annie Obedience Gault on Ancestry in 1880 but I can't see the details.

Now calculate a d.o.b. of about 1875 with a marriage in 1886.

She's 35 in 1901. The transcriber who got 26 must have been cross-eyed!
Pam
Pam

[Coromandel]

The transcriber who got 26 must have been cross-eyed!

Oh dear, 'tis I who must be cross-eyed because it was the 1891 census where she was 26.
It's definitely time for new glasses / new brain / more coffee.

[Colin Rowledge]

To make it even more of a cryptic challenge it looks like Obedience was not the first name of this girl or perhaps I should say girls? (There must be two of them to judge from these entries from FreeBMD):

Annie Obedience Gault or Goult, married in the Kensington district in 1882. Spouse either Thomas Hammond Anderton or Edward Henry Whiting. (From the index to London parish registers on Ancestry I can see that Mr Whiting was the one who married Annie.)

Annie Obedience Gault, married in the Hackney district in 1886, spouse either Leopold Edward Annoot or George Thornton Ratley (or a third person missing from the list on FreeBMD?).

Annie Obedience Whiting, aged 33, death registered in the Paddington district in the last quarter of 1894.

Annie Obedient Gault, married in the Lewisham district in the first quarter of 1902 to Albert Benjamin Jenkins OR Thomas Nicholas McLeay OR John Thomas Podger.

FamilySearch has the baptism of an Annie Obedience Gault on 16 June 1862 at Enfield St Andrew, daughter of William Charles Gault & Mary Eliza; her d.o.b. is shown as 4 April 1861. A likely looking birth registration for her is as Anne Abedience Gault, in the Edmonton district in the second quarter of 1861.

P.S. so Colin, am I right in supposing that the question behind your original question is, if there were two Annie Obedience Gaults, where is the other one's birth?

Thanks Coromandel.
I have the marriage certificate for Annie O. to Edward Henry Whiting. I also have the ones where Annie O. married Leopold Edward Annoot and John Thomas Podger.

I have the birth certificate for Annie O. which states her parents were William Charles and Mary Eliza Gault - formerly Smith. She was born on April 4, 1861 and is on the census for 1861 with these parents. Her birth was registered about 1 month after her birth. and she was baptized on June 16, 1862.

On the marriage to Edward Henry her father is indicated as George Gault - deceased. She was a spinster and they had a church wedding after Banns She indicated she was aged 20 On the marriage to Leopold Edward her father is indicated as William Charles Gault - a Gunsmith. This marriage was on January 4, 1886. She is indicated as a spinster - and the marriage was in the Register Office in Hackney. She indicated that she was aged 24. On the marriage to John Thomas Podgerher father is indicated as William Charles Gault - a retired Gunsmith. This marriage was on March 1, 1902. She is indicated as a spinster - and the marriage was in the Register Office in Lewisham. She indicated that she was aged 36

This may sound bizarre but I believe the lady or ladies involved are one and the same person

Colin