trying to find hughes family

[whdsn]

Hi olliecat
I have a Thomas Henry Hughes on the 1901 census of Wales Rg13 piece 5003 folio 7 page 5. He was born 1844 penzance. possible birth record Thomas Henry Hugh Jul 1844 penzance vol 9 page 218 cornwall. could this be the same Thomas you found in Paul.

[olliecat]

I have a Thomas Henry Hughes on the 1901 census of Wales Rg13 piece 5003 folio 7 page 5. He was born 1844 penzance. possible birth record Thomas Henry Hugh Jul 1844 penzance vol 9 page 218 cornwall. could this be the same Thomas you found in Paul.

You have a couple of other threads on Thomas Henry HUGHES, here and here but I need to read through them properly and so for the moment, could you clarify the following. Your great grandfather was Thomas James HUGHES (or rather SIMMONS) born 1879 Liverpool and his natural father was William SIMMONS and his step-father was called Thomas Henry HUGHES.

Are you trying establish if Thomas Henry Hughes was the son of Thomas Henry HUGH and Elizabeth, born abt. 1844 in Paul?


If so I'll have a look a little later on, unless somebody sorts it all out beforehand.

[whdsn]

Hi
My great grandfather was Thomas James Simmons born 1879 Liverpool. His mother remarried to Thomas Henry Hughes in Liverpool 1882 and my Great grandfather surname was changed from Simmons to Hughes. my great grandfather's father name was William Henry Simmons born 1842 St Just. Yes i'm trying to establish that Thomas Henry Hughes was the son of Thomas and Elizabeth in Paul. This is my great grandfather on the 1881 census rg11 piece 3598 folio 17 page 28

[whdsn]

Hi olliecat
The birth certificate came today for Elizabeth. She is the daughter of Thomas Henry Hughes and Elizabeth Hughes formerly Tonkin. Born in Sheffield Paul

[olliecat]

The birth certificate came today for Elizabeth. She is the daughter of Thomas Henry Hughes and Elizabeth Hughes formerly Tonkin. Born in Sheffield Paul

Well that's good news since it sorts Elizabeth out.

However, there is still the matter of establishing if your Thomas Henry HUGHES was the son of Thomas Henry HUGHES and Elizabeth nee TONKIN. Rather than post on your other thread, I think it is best if we stick to this thread. So, quoting the details from your previous thread on Thomas ...

My great grandfather was Thomas James Hughes born 1879 Liverpool. About 1883 his family moved to Wales where he married Annie Reardon in 1901. On his marriage certificate his father was Thomas Henry Hughes. I found them on the 1901 + 1891 censuses in Wales RG13 PIECE 5003 FOLIO 7 PAGE 5. AND RG12 PIECE 4418 FOLIO 127 PAGE 43. I found Thomas James Hughes on the 1881 census in Liverpool as Thomas james Simmons. I sent away for his birth certificate and his father was William Simmons, mother Elizabeth Simmons nee Prisk both from cornwall. William died in 1881 Liverpool. Elizabeth remarried in 1882 Liverpool to Thomas Henry Hue ( hughes) On their marriage Certificate they have Thomas's father as Thomas Henry Hue Labourer and Elizabeth's father William Prisk profession Smith i think this could be blacksmith.They both died 1860 +1876. The only Thomas Henry Hughes i can trace back is the one who married Catherine Jenkin Daniel in 1870 Penzance. census records 1871 RG10 PIECE 2340 FOLIO 56 PAGE 11. 1881 RG11 PIECE 2346 FOLIO 94 PAGE 7. 1891 RG12 PIECE 1858 FOLIO 33 PAGE 20. 1901 RG13 PIECE 2254 FOLIO 40 PAGE 34. Is this the same Thomas Henry Hughes with 2 families.

I will post the census details in a moment so we can all take a look.

[olliecat]

Census details, so all can take a look.

Thomas Henry HUGH(ES)/HEW in Cornwall

First of all, we have Thomas HUGH, age 6 in the 1851 census with his mother Elizabeth. (see post #3).

Then in 1861...

1861: Piece: 1592 Folio: 123 Page: 11
Regennis, St Paul, Cornwall
HUGH, Thomas, servant, unmarried, 16 (b.1845), carter, Paul Cornwall
Note: Working in a household headed by Richard NICHOLLS snr who is a farmer.

Then we have this marriage...

groom's name: Thomas Henry Hugh
groom's birth date: 1848
groom's age: 22
bride's name: Catherine Jenkin Daniel
bride's birth date: 1852
bride's age: 18
marriage date: 15 Jan 1870
marriage place: Madron, Cornwall, England
groom's father's name: Thomas Hugh
bride's father's name: Richard
Note: Further details of this marriage can be found on the Cornwall OPC

Thomas and Catherine in the census.

1871 Piece: 2340 Folio: 56 Page: 11
Taroveor Lane, Penzance
DANNAL, Ann, head, mar, 57, charwoman, Paul Cornwall
DANNAL, Richard, son, mar, 30, labourer, Madron Cornwall
HEW, Catherine, dau, mar, 19, charwoman, Madron Cornwall
JENKIN, Thomas H, son, unm, 18, blacksmith, Madron Cornwall
HEW, Thomas H, son-in-law, mar, 24 (b.1847), labourer, Paul Cornwall
HEW, Elizabeth A, granddau, 3 mo, Penzance Cornwall

1881: Piece: 2346 Folio: 94 Page: 7
3 Reservoir Court North Street, Penzance
DANIEL, Ann, head, widow, 67, labouring in fields, Paul Cornwall
HUGHES, Catherine, boarder, married, 28, labouring in fields, Madron Cornwall
HUGHES, Elizabeth Ann, boarder, 10, Penzance Cornwall
HUGHES, James, boarder, 9, Penzance Cornwall
HUGHES, Richard H, boarder, 5, Madron Cornwall

Catherine HUGHES is also in the 1891 to 1911 census but her husband is still not present. On the 1891 and 1901 census her marital status is married. On the 1911 census her marital status is widow.

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Thomas Henry HUGHES and Elizabeth SIMMONS nee PRISK

Elizabeth Simmons before her marriage to Thomas Henry HUGHES...

1881: Piece: 3598 Folio: 17 Page: 28
6 Green St, Liverpool
SIMMONS, Elizabeth, head, married, 38 (b.1843), annuitant, Cornwall
SIMMONS, William Henry, son, 10, Cornwall
SIMMONS, John Thomas, son, 7, Cornwall
SIMMONS, Thomas James, son, 2, Liverpool Lancashire

Elizabeth after her marriage to Thomas Henry HUGHES...

1891: Piece: 4418 Folio: 127 Page: 43
3 Walnarw, Llantrisant, Dinas, Glamorganshire
HUGHES, Elizabeth, head, married, 40 (b.1851), living on her own means, Penzance Cornwall
SIMONS, John T, son, 16, colliery haulier, Falmouth Cornwall
HUGHES, Thomas J, son, 12, Liverpool Lancashire
HUGHES, Richard, son, 6, Morriston Glamorganshire

1901: Piece: 5003 Folio: 7 Page: 5
Fair Heol, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire
HUGHES, Thomas, head, married, 56 (b.1845), coal miner labourer, Penzance Cornwall
HUGHES, Elizabeth, wife, married, 55, St Hilary Cornwall
HUGHES, Thomas, son, 22, coal miner hewer, Liverpool Lancashire
HUGHES, Richards, son, 16, Swansea Glamorganshire

It would be useful to find Thomas Henry HUGHES in the 1881 and 1891 census. Do you know when/where he died?

[whdsn]

I think Thomas died 1902 and Elizabeth 1904 Ponypridd District.

[whdsn]

Thomas is on the 1891 census in Wales RG 12 PIECE 4420 FOLIO 99 PAGE 42