Richard KIRKBY father of Cornelius GOODWIN

[Jan Shaw]

Hi,
I live in Brisbane Australia and am currently researching my husband's family of Rigby/Goodwin/Kirkby/Robinson/Walkinshaw who were mostly coal miners from Midlothian Scotland.

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Looking for Richard Kirkby, the natural father of Cornelius Short Goodwin b.5/10/1828 at Mumby Lincs. His motherr was Mary Goodwin who married Robert Short 24/12/1828.

[olliecat]

Also looking for Richard Kirkby, the natural father of Cornelius Short Goodwin b.5/10/1828 at Mumby Lincs. His motherr was Mary Goodwin who married Robert Short 24/12/1828.

Also looking for Richard Kirkby, the natural father of Cornelius Short Goodwin b.5/10/1828 at Mumby Lincs. His motherr was Mary Goodwin who married Robert Short 24/12/1828.

As your enquiry into Richard KIRKBY appears to be separate from your Rigby/Robertson enquiry, do you want me copy the relevant part of your thread about Richard KIRKBY to a new thread? I could place it in the Lincolnshire forum or alternatively the Illegitimacy forum.

By the way, where did you get the birth date for Cornelius from, is this from a baptism entry? On checking FreeREG ...

Cornelius baptised on 26 Oct 1828 at St Peter and St Paul, Bratoft, Lincolnshire. Father Richard KIRKBY. Mother Mary GOODWIN. Father's occupation, Blacksmith

It might be worth looking for an bastardy bond/affiliation order, bearing in mind that since Mary GOODWIN married so shortly afterwards she may not have pursued the matter of support for her child. Another avenue would be to search the census for Richard KIRKBY, blacksmith.

[Jan Shaw]

Thanks Ollicat,
Yes, Richard Kirkby is separate from Ann Robinson. ( only connection is that Cornelius Short Goodwin's dau. Lizzie married Ann Robinson/Rigby's son Peter Rigby in Brisbane in 1890 ) . Please a new thread for Richard Kirkby.
Birth date for Cornelius Short Goodwin is from another doing his research .
Cornelius Short Goodwin's mother, Mary Goodwin married Robert Short on 24.12.1828 and so the Short Goodwin name came about.

[olliecat]

Do you access to the census? I can see one candidate for you in the 1841 and 1851 census. Richard KIRKBY (blacksmith) born abt. 1807 in Burgh, living at Sibsey in Lincolnshire. Note: Sibsey is about 18 miles from Bratoft, so not exactly next door.

1841: Piece: 644 Book/Folio: 2/21 Page: 7
1851: Piece: 2098 Folio: 515 Page: 27

His wife's name is Sarah and there was a marriage on 08 Apr 1830 at Sibsey between Richard KIRKBY and Sarah BRUMMITT. See FreeREG for the marriage...

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freereg.org.uk

[Pam Downes]

Do you access to the census? I can see one candidate for you in the 1841 and 1851 census. Richard KIRKBY (blacksmith) born abt. 1807 in Burgh, living at Sibsey in Lincolnshire. Note: Sibsey is about 18 miles from Bratoft, so not exactly next door.

Sibsey might not be next door to Bratoft, but Burgh (le Marsh) is.

Presumably this is the baptism of Richard, unless this one died, and then another baby was born and also called Richard. (I haven't checked any further through the register.) http://www.
lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=516564&iid=102713

Pam

[olliecat]

Sibsey might not be next door to Bratoft, but Burgh (le Marsh) is.

Ah! about 2.5 miles apart.

Presumably this is the baptism of Richard, unless this one died, and then another baby was born and also called Richard. (I haven't checked any further through the register.) http://www.
lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=516564&iid=102713

An 80 year old John KIRKBY was in the 1841 census with Richard, so this looks good for his baptism.


Richard appears to have changed occupation from blacksmith to farmer by 1861.

1861: RG9; Piece: 2334; Folio: 23; Page: 5
1871: RG10; Piece: 3338 Folio: 22 Page: 4

Also, according to the National Probate Calendar, Richard KIRKBY of Sibsey died on 13 Aug 1880 and left a will which was proved on 28 Sep 1880; the executors were his sons Joseph and Henry KIRKBY.

If you think there is any mileage in this Richard as the father of Cornelius, then you may want to consider getting hold of a copy of his will, on the off-chance that Cornelius is mentioned. Having said that, perhaps it would be better to hold off for a while to see if anything else pops up on this thread.

[Jan Shaw]

Thanks again - it seems v. possible that this is the Richard Kirkby I am looking for -----I'll wait & see if any thing turns up in threads abt. his will. ---(-mayby a well-to-do-blacksmith ! )

[helachau]

Stamford Mercury, Fri 30 April 1830
Married
Last week, Mr Rd. Kirkby, blacksmith, to Sarah, eldest daughter of Mr Brummitt, constable, of Sibsey

[helachau]

Stamford Mercury, Friday 14 January 1831
Married
At Sibsey, on the 3rd inst, Mr Rd Knight, a preacher in the Methodist connexion, to Miss Kirkby, sister to Mr Kirkby, blacksmith, all of this place

Lincoln Chronicle, Friday 8 January 1847
Robberies - on the 2nd inst, the premises of Mr Richard Kirkby, blacksmith, of Sibsey were broken open and 5 tame rabbits taken therefrom

[Jan Shaw]

Thanks Helachau ----It looks like the Richard Kirkby I am looking for he was the natural father of Corneliius Short Goodwin,b. 5/10/1828 d. 28/1/1889 at Mumby Lincs. who had 12 children with Elizabeth Smalley, whom he married in 17/9/1868 . The Mother of Cornelius Short Goodwin was Mary Goodwin b. 1811 -d..1867 she married Robert Short b. 1807 m. 24/12/1828 when Cornelius was 2 months old.
When Cornelius died, Elilzabeth Smalley/Goodwin . m. at Charter's Towers Queensland in 1890 ---and it is this line that i am researching -------with some help from all you good people at British-genealogy !
Dlo you have anything on Robert Short ??

Thanks again, Jan.