CURTHOYS DINAH

[Mona]

How about getting the birth certificate of a child born after civil registration began, then you can be sure of Dinah's maiden name. Ann is shown as age 0 in 1841 census.

[artscot]

Makes you wonder? I had thought that perhaps it was a condition of employment, a little fairy tale to get a job, she is the only other Dinah shown in the census for that year!

[artscot]

Yes, that would be a sure fire way, however not in a position to do that at the moment,

Thanks to everyone for the help and suggestions.

artscot

[artscot]

The GLOSBMD has 5 children register to Curthoys pa and Curthoys ma. Nothing for the marriage, I found it on the GFHS marriages CD 1800-1830, does not show her pa's name.
Cheers, artscot

[janbooth]

1861 census of Barton St Mary (RG9/1768, folio 71, pge 49) shows Joseph CURTHOYS, Head, Mar, 58, Lab, born England and his wife no forename CURTHOYS, Wife, 52, born Gloucester, living at Barton Terrace. Because of this, I assumed that the other Dinah CURTHOYS working as a Cook in St Michael, Gloucester was a different person. Joseph and Dina CURTHOYS were in Barton in the 1851 census, so this seemed to follow on logically. Have you tried to trace the niece Elizabeth CURTHOYS, aged 18, born Monmouthshire who is with Joseph & Dina in the 1851 census? She could perhaps be the niece of Dina and not Joseph which might help ascertain which Dina is yours.

Starting from what you definitely know:

Joseph CURTHOYS married Dinah CURTHOYS at St Michael Gloucester on 3 June 1834 - this is also corroborated by the Gloucestershire FHS Marriage Index.

1841/51/61/71 census you have Joseph & Dina(h) living together in South Hamlet, Barton & Greyfriars Quaker's Chapel St Mary de Crypt, Gloucester. The 1871 census shows Joseph as born at Aust (another child of Job & Sarah perhaps) and Dinah as Thornbury.

Gloucs FHS Baptismal Index shows the baptism of a George CURTHOYS on 21 August 1836 at Gloucester St Michael, parents Joseph & Diana, Labourer, South Hamlet which fits in very well with the 1841 census record.

The 1841 census record that Mona also found for you shows a Dina CURTHOISE, aged 40, with a Luke CURTHOISE aged 30ish (image is pretty awful), probably mother Sarah aged 70 and perhaps wife Elizabeth aged 25 and (again perhaps) their 2 children plus a Griffith CURTHOISE aged 35 and a Robert ELLIOT aged 12.

Gloucestershire FHS Marriage Index shows that a Dinah CURTHAYS married William ELLIOTT at Westonbirt on 10 October 1817. Their Baptismal Index indicates a Jane bap 1825, Robert bapt 1829, William 1831, Sarah Anne bap 1833, Mary Eliza bap 1835 (all under surname ELLOTS) at Westonbirt so from this I would assume that the Dina CURTHAYS who married William Elliot is the same Dina that Mona found living with Luke CURTHOISE above. Gloucs FHS Burial Index shows the burial of a James ELLOTS on 23 November 1827 at Westonbirt, aged 2 weeks.

Subsequent census records show that Luke was indeed married to Elizabeth and was born c1809 in Aust, Henbury. Griffith CURTHOYS is shown as a Visitor to Luke & Elizabeth in the 1851 census and he was born c1808 in Oldbury.

Looking on Family Search for CURTHOYS (and variants) baptisms, there are some clues in that there is a Robert CURTHOYS bap 17 November 1811 at Henbury son of Job & Sarah (perhaps Sarah being the mother of Luke in the 1841 census?) and perhaps why Dinah ELLIOT named one of her children Robert. Perhaps another clue is the baptism of a Griffith CURTHOIS at Henbury on 13 August 1809, parents Job & Sarah. From this I would think you can rule out Job CURTHOYS & Sarah WHITE as the parents of your Dinah.

There are only 2 male CURTHOYS marriages on the Gloucs FHS Marriage Index 1800-37, that of Job & Sarah and Joseph & Dinah and only 2 female CURTHOYS marriages, those of both Dinah's but it does not cover the whole of Gloucestershire (Bristol area is definitely excluded).

Looking at Phillimore's Marriage Index for CURTHOYS and variants, there are a couple at Olveston - Nicholas CURTHAYES in 1696 and Job CURTHOYS in 1774. Thornbury shows an Ann CURTHOYES in 1713, Mary CURTHOYS in 1714, John CURTHOYS in 1714, Job & Sarah in 1801. Henbury an Ann CURTOYS (CURTHAYS) in 1792. Horsley a Mary CURTHOIS in 1717. Unfortunately, Gloucester itself is not covered by Phillimore's.

Family Search shows one other male CURTHOYS marriage, that of a George CURTHOYS to a Hannah HEARD on 22 August 1782 at Elberton, Gloucestershire which could perhaps be relevant given the names of the children of Joseph & Dinah in the census records.

Not sure if this will give you any information that you do not already have, but it might suggest new areas of research.

Janet

Census records courtesy TNA

[janbooth]

Just to add extra information, I think the Elizabeth CURTHOYS who is a niece in the 1851 census, is the daughter of Luke and Elizabeth CURTHOYS - there is an Elizabeth aged 8 living with Luke & Elizabeth in the 1841 census who is not with them in the 1851 census, and Luke's wife Elizabeth was born in Penow, Monmouthshire is subsequent census records.

Janet

[Mona]

Wow Jan, nicely put! What a CURHOYS tangled web.

The only baptism of a Joseph CURTHOYS is 6 Mar 1803 in Henbury, to John and Sarah (job/john easily mixed up I would think).
Another thought I had was perhaps the Dina working as maid then cook is also the wife of Joseph. She could have stayed overnight at her work, and her husband also listed her at home. It won't be the first time that has occurred.

[artscot]

Thanks Janet, great resume! The Dinah in Gloster City will have to remain a mystery for a while, I will be going to Gloster in April for the GFHS open day, hope to pick up a few more data Cds, I thinkf B&AFHS has some for sale.

Much obliged for everyones efforts.

Regards, artscot.