Alfred Balinski/Schofield 1882 marriage

[Laimonas]

Would like to ask do Oldham St Mary's banns contain both groom's parents listed and his birth place? Researching one marriage from 1882 between Alfred Balinski and Betty Schofield and looking for the info where he was born. Maybe you will find this question stupid, but beeing from Lithuania am not familiar with the UK banns and marriage records system.

[notanotherminer]

Hi Laimonas and welcome to Brit-Gen

Rather than have your post stuck on the end of another thread where it might not attract attention I have moved it to a thread of its own to allow our members to better assist you.

[notanotherminer]

According to the FreeBMD website this was his marriage:

Balinski Alfred March qtr 1882 Oldham vol. 8d page 702.

On the same page was a Betty Schofield France

Using the above reference you can order their marriage certificate from the General Register Office. You can do this online and pay by debit or credit card. Just click here to go the their website . The first time you order a certificate you will be required to register and create a password. You then fill in your address details so that any future orders your address is already on file. The GRO do not keep credit card details so you are quite safe.

The marriage certificate will give the full names of the bride and groom, their ages, occupation, addresses and the names and occupations of their fathers.

[notanotherminer]

The 1891 census of England shows Alfred and Betty living at 63, Manchester St. Oldham with their 3 children and a female servanr also named Balinski.

All named Balinski

Alfred 37 Confectioner b. Russian Poland
Betty 37
Gertrude 8
Harold 6
Fred 2
Harriet Servant Single 17 General Servant b.Newcastle on Tyne

Betty and children all born Oldham

RG12/3305/39/page33 Crown Copyright TNA

[Laimonas]

Civil metrication marriage record says his father was Paul, we have the certificate. But this is the only info available. No mother. Alfred listed his birth places as Russia/Poland on Censuses 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911. So I thought maybe obtaining a church record or banns would provide more info?

[notanotherminer]

Unfortunately a marriage certificate only lists the names of the father. I too have only been able to find him in the censuses from 1881 when he was living as a boarder so no sign of his parents. I can only assume that he arrived in England some time between 1871 and 1881.

[Kerrywood]

So I thought maybe obtaining a church record or banns would provide more info?

The church record should contain exactly the same information as the civil certificate, nothing more. No place of birth, no mother (unless she happened to be a witness).

The only difference is that the church record will show original signatures (or marks) of the couple getting married, the witnesses and the minister, rather than the copied signatures that are found on a civil certificate obtained from the General Register Office (GRO).

You're probably already in contact with the person who posted this message linked below, but just in case ...
www.
radzima.org/eng/object_comm/5812.html#comm3015

Sadly, at the time of posting it seems she didn't have any further information either.

[Laimonas]

And what about banns? In Lithuania banns used to include both parents listed and birth place, but this was Catholich church. I see Family History centers have Oldham's St. Mary church banns. Any chance to have parents listed and birthplace in banns file? Or are these files useless?

[Laimonas]

The church record should contain exactly the same information as the civil certificate, nothing more. No place of birth, no mother (unless she happened to be a witness).

The only difference is that the church record will show original signatures (or marks) of the couple getting married, the witnesses and the minister, rather than the copied signatures that are found on a civil certificate obtained from the General Register Office (GRO).

You're probably already in contact with the person who posted this message linked below, but just in case ...
www.
radzima.org/eng/object_comm/5812.html#comm3015

Sadly, at the time of posting it seems she didn't have any further information either.

Yes, I am in contact, we are working on this for already more than a year, but no results.

[Laimonas]

I mean:
Banns of marriages, 1787-1818 (includes marriage licenses, 1789-1802), 1874-1921.