robert rolfe/rolph monken hadley barnet

[ruala]

hello back again have finaly found the joseph rolph/rolfe which you guys found as robert not( joseph) and martha cooper back months ago/ i am now trying to find out when robert rolfe/rolph died and what of ? if he was born in the area? and what his trade may have been ? so i may put this one to bed. i can say that he amd martha married in april 29th in 1821 and had 7 children and that martha was a widow in 1851 living in mary's place(bath place) the two girls who were unmarried at the age of 27 and 21 in the 1851 census are mary ann and elizabeth not sure why they are not married. there is a possible link to london which is what i am looking for also and that is on the 1851 census that a robert rolfe aged 3 was a vistor from london and i wonder if his father is robert rolfe JR as i think ann who was born in 1827 ( THE DAUGHTER OF MARTHA AND ROBERT SN) may have been dead . if there's any chance of finding who the 3 year old roberts folks were and from what part of london that would give me a trail and some def roots finally

[Kerrywood]

hello back again have finaly found the joseph rolph/rolfe which you guys found as robert not( joseph) and martha cooper back months ago

Hello again, ruala. Glad to hear you've got a result.

For anyone helping, this other thread relates, and I think these are the census returns.

1841 census
HO107/654 book 20 folio 22 page 4
Mary Paynes Place, Hadley, Barnet
Martha Rolph 40 [can't read occupation] Y
Elizth Rolph 15 Y
Robert Rolph 16 Tinman Y
Ann Rolph 13 Y
Mary Rolph 11 Y
Joseph Rolph 9 Y
William Rolph 7 Y

1851 census
HO107/1701 folio 194 page 49
Mary Paynes Place, Hadley, Barnet
Martha Rolfe Head Wid 51 Shoe binder born Middx Hadley
Elizabeth Rolfe Daur U 27 Shoe binder born Middx Hadley
Mary A Rolfe Daur U 21 Shoe binder born Middx Hadley
Joseph Rolfe Son U 19 Brewers labourer born Middx Hadley
William Rolfe Son U 17 Brewers labourer app[rentic]e born Middx Hadley
Robert Rolfe Vis[itor] 3 born Middx London

(records held by TNA, Crown copyright)

Ruala, can you please confirm the above is the right family? How did you manage to establish that this is your Joseph?

i am now trying to find out when robert rolfe/rolph died and what of ? if he was born in the area? and what his trade may have been ?

From the parish register, a Robert ROLFE, aged 47 from Hadley, was buried at St Mary the Virgin, Monken Hadley, on 23 August 1835. Could this be the father?

Unfortunately, at this date (pre civil registration) there will be no death certificate to give his occupation or cause of death.

[ruala]

i have spoken to a local of the area and can find no other at this time to fit and a gut feeling for the church st marys the virgin in hadley. plus the fact that there is no other joseph born around that time and the fact that the mother was a shoe binder and his wife sarah in london town s folk was a shoe maker not to bad a link?

[Kerrywood]

From the Hadley marriage registers ...

Ann ROLFE married William PARISH at Hadley in 1850, father Robert ROLFE, Ostler
William ROLFE married Maria OGRAM at Hadley in 1854, father Robert ROLFE (deceased), Horsekeeper

If I remember correctly, your Joseph ROLPH said on marriage in Camberwell in 1860 that his father was Joseph ROLFE, Labourer.

I know you haven't been able to find this father, so the above Robert ROLFE is clearly a possibility. But it may not be the only one.

Were you able to pursue the suggestions made in the other thread for researching the other family, from Barnet, where the father was Charles?

I understand your Joseph gave his birthplace as Barnet, though admittedly Monken Hadley is very near.

[ruala]

hi hun where is ostler do you mean ustler?

[terrysfamily]

From the Hadley marriage registers ...

Ann ROLFE married William PARISH at Hadley in 1850, father Robert ROLFE, Ostler
William ROLFE married Maria OGRAM at Hadley in 1854, father Robert ROLFE (deceased), Horsekeeper

Old Occupations;

Ostler / Hostler Originally, a Hostler was the host of an Inn or (H)ostelry. Later became the man employed to look after the horses of the visitors

[ruala]

oh i am a bit trick sorry thanks

[ruala]

it may be the right kin and that may be the robert rolfe .... i willl need to check this out futher any more info would be really helpful

[ruala]

any chance of findong a birth of a robert rolfe from hadley as he died aged 47 in the year of 1835/23/8 and looking for his parents names where from and occupation please

[ruala]

still loooking for a birth of robert rolfe/rolph who may have beeen born in hadley, barnet as he passed away and was buried at st marys the virgin in monken hadley in 1835 on the 23rd of august also loooking for where his parents came from and what the fathers occupation was/ i jus want to say a very big thank you to everyone who has helped me on this site