Mark Holland in Newcastle 1902

[t@nya]

Here's George and Maria in the 1851 census.

9, George Street, Township Of Hyde
HO107 piece 2154 folio 359 page 3

George Tetlow. Head. Married. 50. born 1801. Coal Miner. born Bollington, Cheshire
Maria Tetlow. Wife. 49. born 1802. born Hyde, Cheshire
Hart (Harriet?) Tetlow. Daughter. 24. born 1827. Cotton Weaver. born Hyde Cheshire
James Tetlow. 18. Daughter. born 1833. Cotton Weaver. born Hyde Cheshire
Eliza Tetlow. 15. Daughter. born 1836. Cotton Weaver. born Hyde Cheshire
, Chs. 11. Son. born 1840. Bobbin Painter, born Hyde Cheshire
, Emma. 6. Daughter. born 1845. Scholar. born Hyde Cheshire.

[Mutley]

You did Mutley - on the 1881 census RG11/4026 f.52 p.34

Now how odd that Clara Weedall born 1871 should appear on the 1891 Census working as a Domestic Cook in a house on Holland Road.
RG12/3266 fol. 30 p. 53

....and how interesting that Nora is living with Clara’s parents only about a mile away from Holland Road.

So if Nora, Olive and Bessie arrived before Clara was married to Joseph,that would account for only 3 children being born to the marriage as noted in the 1911 census i.e. Grace, Mark & Phillis.

(Records in care of TNA: Crown copyright)

All food for thought

There is an awful lot of information on this thread. I really do think boddso should use the 'thread tools' facility to print it out and note each post. It would be very easy to miss a vital piece in this jigsaw.

[t@nya]

George and Maria in the 1861 census.

84 King Street, Hyde

RG09 piece 2557 folio 60 page 15

George Tetlow. Head. Married 62. born 1799. Porter at Mechanics Institute, born Bollington, Cheshire
Maria Tetlow. Wife. 59. born 1802. born Hyde Cheshire
Harriet Tetlow. Daughter. 34. born 1827. Cotton winder, born Hyde, Cheshire
Charles Tetlow. Son. Unmarried. 21. born 1840. Wood turner, born Hyde Cheshire.

I found both Maria and Harriet Tetlow in the 1871 census as well. They are listed as the mother-in-law and sister-in-law of William Billington, so presumably Elizabeth Billington's maiden name was Tetlow and she was George and Maria's daughter (maybe she is Eliza). Maria is described as a widow and a retired cotton weaver.

William and Elizabeth have five children as of that census date. The reference is RG10 piece 3652 folio 96 page 19

Need to take a break: too tired to continue for now.

[boddso]

All food for thought

There is an awful lot of information on this thread. I really do think boddso should use the 'thread tools' facility to print it out and note each post. It would be very easy to miss a vital piece in this jigsaw.

That is something I shall do - there's much too much good information to take in at one time. Thanks for suggesting it.

[Coromandel]

I wonder if the Newcastle upon Tyne area archives has RC parish records and if Mark Holland might have been christened - I might look that up next, what do you think?

Here are some 'User Guides' produced by Tyne & Wear Archives, including one about Roman Catholic registers:

http://www.
twmuseums.org.uk/archives/userguides/

[boddso]

Just a quick thank-you to everyone who contributed to the search for the answer to whether Mark Tetlow was Mark Holland or not. While I still don't have a definitive answer, your input has confirmed my own thoughts, that there definately was a name change in the family, for whatever reason. I have sent for the marriage certificate of Joseph and Clara in 1906, which might provide some clues, especially if Joseph is listed as a widower, and I am also actively chasing a christening for Mark, with whatever surname. It will also be interesting to see if George Tetlow left a Will, I think. Born in 1902, Mark joined the army at some time during the 1stWW, though he was underage, and we have photographs of him in uniform, though he was discharged and never went overseas, once his age was known we presume (between 12-16!!). No records appear to exist for this sadly. Once again - thank you all so very much - I will certainly have some work to do sorting out all the information you have provided. THANK YOU !

[boddso]

The 1906 marriage certificate reads as follows - Joseph Tetlow, 50, widower, Porter on goods Railway of 25 Talbot Street Rochdale, Father John Tetlow (deceased) a Grocer; married Clara Weedall 34, a spinster domestic servant of West Lea, Manchester Road Middleton, father John Weedall a Brewer. married at the Rochdale register office. Are we any further on with this information? The ages are right for our Holland/Tetlow couple but I am not sure about the addresses.

[Mutley]

In 1911 the Hancock family lived at 25 Talbot Street.
I don't know the county so I am struggling to find the West Lea, Manchester Road address.

[t@nya]

I'm not sure about the occupation of the father. The name is right, but John Tetlow was working in the cloth industry, and not a grocer. He was a cotton weaver early on and an unemployed hatter in 1881. He could still have become a grocer, though. I'll try to find him in later censuses.

[t@nya]

The plot thickens!

I found a John Tetlow grocer in the 1881 census, with wife Rebecca, and with a son Joseph the exactly same age. So maybe this couple are the parents of Joseph Tetlow/Holland, and not John and Mary.

20, Haughton Street, Hyde
RG11 piece 3467 folio 64 page 17

John Tetlow. Head. 50. born 1831. Shopkeeper grocery. born Hyde Cheshire
Rebecca Tetlow. Wife. 41. born 1840. Cotton weaver. born Hyde Cheshire
Joseph Tetlow. son. 24. born 1857. blacksmith. born Newton, Cheshire
Elizabeth Tetlow. daughter. 21. born 1860. cotton weaver. born Hyde, Cheshire
Jane Tetlow. daughter. 6. born 1875. born Hyde Cheshire
Ernest Tetlow. 1. born 1880. born Hyde Cheshire.

Then in the 1891 census we have two possibilities.

64, Stockport Road, Hyde
RG12 piece 2791 folio 140 page 27

John Tetlow. Head. Widower. 62. born 1829. Mineral water manufacturer. born Hyde Cheshire
Annie Tetlow. Daughter. 24. born 1867. born Hyde Cheshire
Harriet Wood. Sister. Widow. 64. born 1827. born Hyde Cheshire.

Most likely the John Tetlow who was the father of the ginger beer makers, Joseph and George

And the other John Tetlow has become a cotton weaver.

23, Pitt Street, Hyde
RG12 piece 2789 folio 57 page 22

John Tetlow. Head. Married. 61. born 1830. Cotton weaver. born Hyde Cheshire
Rebecca Tetlow. Wife. 51. born 1840. Cotton weaver. born Hyde Cheshire
Ernest Tetlow. Son. 11. born 1880. Scholar. born Hyde Cheshire.