Transcription Help Please?

[monicaj]

Hello - hope someone can help me (and I hope I have posted this in the correct place).

I am fairly new to Family History, been dabbling for about 12 months, and I would really appreciate some help. I am unable to work out the Occupation of one of my "indirect ancestors" but if I can work out his occupation it could explain a lot.

David Evans
b. 1853 - Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire
1891 Census (Ancestry) - living in West Derby as a lodger, I can't work out his occupation.

My thoughts are that he married a Maud Matilda Andrews (b.1880 - Llanwnog, Montgomeryshire) in 1990 in Lancashire. To date the pattern of my family has been actually quite boring, they mostly lived in the same Parishes and married each other !!! so if I can establish what brought these two together so far from home I'm sure it could be most interesting.

If I need to post references to the Censuses/Marriage - could someone please advise.

Thanks

[arthurk]

Hi Monica

I read the census occupation as "Ordanance Surveyor" - which I think means he was involved in the creation of Ordnance Survey maps.

Having seen the couple in the 1901 census (Llanwnog), the marriage you've found (1900, not 1990!) certainly looks possible. Maybe her parents objected because of the age difference so they got married where he was living at the time?

Arthur

[Pam Downes]

Phew! That's a relief - and a miracle. Everything matches.
Hi monicaj - I make David's occupation to be Ordanance surveyor.
That is if he's the one on RG12/3001 folio 55 page 23, in the household of John Foster.

Always, always, give the census reference. Often what happens is that someone asks for a look-up, and gives the person's name, year and place of birth and where they're living, but the index doesn't fit those details and so when we carefully type in all the details we get a 'not found'.
The occupation doesn't seem to match that in the 1901 census, does it? Coal and lime merchant. (Though you could say the same if he was a soldier in 1891, and a coal merchant in 1901. )
RG13/5194 folio 84 page 8 living with Maud in Llanwnog

Is this likely to be him in 1881?
RG11/5482 folio 122 page 1 living in Trefeglwys, with his parents and described as farmer's son?

(Census in the care of TNA, and Crown copyright.)

Pam

[Pam Downes]

David Evans and Maud M Andrews married either at Ormskirk Register Office, or somewhere (non-conformist church/chapel?) where the Registrar attended.
Info from online Lancashire BMD.
Pam

[monicaj]

Wow - Thank you sooo much for your help. Pam, you are absolutely correct - I believe the 1881 census record is correct for David Evans - I am just trying to establish what would have taken him from being a Farmer's son in rural wales to being and Ordanance Surveyor a couple of hundred miles away. Also I don't seem to be able to find a census or in indeed birth record for Maud Matilda Evans m.1900 (nee Andrews) until 1901 Census when she was married to David 27 years her senior ? Arthur, I can see your point about dissaproval of the marriage with such a large age gap but would just love to find our "Maud" between her birth in 1880 and 1901 when she was a young 21 year old Bride. Oh well - I'll keep digging.

Again, thank you both so much
Monica

[Pam Downes]

Pretty certain this will be Maud's birth registration.
Maud Matilda ANDREW (note no 's')
December quarter 1879, Newtown registration district (includes Llanwnog) 11b 181

But it doesn't help with finding her in 1881 or 1891.
Pam

[Lizzy9]

But it doesn't help with finding her in 1881 or 1891.
Pam

I think I found her in 1881 enumerated as a nursling child, I'll go take a look.

[Lizzy9]

I think I found her in 1881 enumerated as a nursling child, I'll go take a look.

Sorry for misleading you the child I found was Mary M Edwards, so probably not the right one.

[Kerrywood]

Sorry for misleading you the child I found was Mary M Edwards, so probably not the right one.

Lizzy, I think you meant ANDREWS (not EDWARDS?).

If so, I think you could be right about the nursling in 1881, because even though she is enumerated as Mary in 1881, I think this same child is enumerated as Tilly ANDREWS in 1891 (short for Matilda?)

1881 - RG11/5483 folio 76 page 8
1891 - RG12/4591 folio 62 page 6

(records held by TNA, Crown copyright)

[Lizzy9]

Lizzy, I think you meant ANDREWS (not EDWARDS?).

If so, I think you could be right about the nursling in 1881, because even though she is enumerated as Mary in 1881, I think this same child is enumerated as Tilly ANDREWS in 1891 (short for Matilda?)

1881 - RG11/5483 folio 76 page 8
1891 - RG12/4591 folio 62 page 6

(records held by TNA, Crown copyright)

Oh, you are right Kerrywood I did mean Andrews, I hope it is the right record. Thank you.