Hannah Sophia Spindler born c1816

[michellemcintosh3]

Hi, I am looking for info on Hannah Sophia Spindler who's death certificate states that she was born at Sandhurst. She died in 1876 in Sydney NSW, her parents were listed as Ludwig Spindler Professor of music (I can't find out any thing on him at all) and her mother is listed as Hannah Grierson.
Hannah Sophia married James Hugh Brown 7 may 1843 at Stirling Scotland. Their children were Julia Ann Mary, Duncan Hugh, Adolphus born 1848, Christina, Hannah 1851, Louisa 1852 then 3 more in Australia.
Would anybody be able to find this family on the 1841 or 1851 census. I know that this isn't much to go on but it is all the info that I have on them.
Regards
Michelle

[malcolm99]

Do you think this could be Ludwig Spindler? On the 1841 Scotland census there is a Lewis Spindler, aged 35, [occupation] Musician.
He is living in some sort of lodging house in Brains Land, Bank Street, Stirling. There is no other person called Spindler living at that address.

Unfortunately, that’s all the information I have as I don’t have access to the original image.

P.S. Silly me, he couldn't be Hannah's father but the name is suggestive of a relationship.

[Jellylegs]

There is a Spindler family in the 1841 census in Edinburgh, Scotland - Looks like Mother, Father and possibly three children - one of them being a Miss S Spindler born 1817, in England - could be that the S is for Sophia. The two eldest males are both Teachers of Music.

[Thomasin]

In 1851 they are in Newcastle on Tyne: HO107; 2407; 135; 3, courtesy of TNA.

[Coromandel]

Thomasin, I haven't had time to check that 1851 reference, but I've found a Spindler family in Edinburgh in 1851. Unfortunately there's no access to the Scottish census images via Ancestry, but there are transcripts which are better than nothing:

137 Princes St, Edinburgh St George
Hanah Spindler, head, 57, annuitant, b.Erid, Sweden
Juliana Spindler, daughter, 26, 'Tenches of Murie' [i.e. Teacher of Music?], b. Ipswich, England
Christian Spinder, daughter, 20, 'Tenches of Murie', b. City, Edinr
Margaret McKinlay, visitor, 20, scholar, b. 'Ionicen Isle, Itkaca'
Mary A Middleton, servant, 25, house servant, b. Brechin, Forfarshire
Minnie Rutherford, servant, 42, house keeper, b. Eckford, Roxburghshire
Janet Rutherford, daughter of Minnie Rutherford, 14, house servant, b. City, Edinr
John Blackhure, visitor, 10, scholar, b. City, Edinr
James Fortune, visitor, 9, scholar, b. St Cuthbert, Edinr

(Parish number 685/1, Enumeration District 1C, page 29, household schedule no. 75)

The 1861 census has a Hanah Gjertzon Spindler, 71, b. Sweden, occupation given as 'wid of Professor of Music', living at 3 Elmbank Street, Glasgow Barony, Lanarkshire; she is shown as mother-in-law of the head of the household, Alexander Mahood. 29 year old Julian Spindler (Alexander's sister-in-law) is also in the household. Alexander's wife (presumably another of Hanah's daughters) is 29 year old Maria Christina Mahood (who may well be the same person as the Christian Spindler in 1851).

You would need to look at images to see the full details (such as marital status) and check the accuracy of the transcription.
You could for a small fee see the images via the Scotlands People website.

The Glasgow Herald of 5 August 1865 has an advertisement for piano-forte and singing lessons given by 'Mrs. A. Mahood (daughter of the late Louis Spindler, Professor of Music, Edinburgh'). I think Louis is the anglicised version of Ludwig, so this could be the right family.

[Coromandel]

Juliana Spindler, daughter, 26, 'Tenches of Murie' [i.e. Teacher of Music?], b. Ipswich, England

So this looks promising . . .

Juliana Spindler, dau. of Ludewieg & Hannah Spindler, was baptised at Ipswich St Helen on 27 January 1813, according to FamilySearch.

[Coromandel]

Once you've registered with Scotland's People you can do free searches of the probate indexes. From this I can see that there is an inventory, will and testament (date shown as 28/04/1842)* for Ludewig Spindler, teacher of music residing in India Street, Edinburgh, and an additional inventory dated 26/05/1842. You can see these online for a fee of £5 per document. There are others which appear to relate to the same family, e.g. a will for Juliana Spindler of 41 Montague Street, Edinburgh (who died 1897; probate 1898) and an unidentified type of document about William Gustavus Spindler, teacher of music of Dundee, who died 1884 at Port Elizabeth, South Africa.

*probably the probate date

[Thomasin]

Here's the full 1851 transcript:

James H Brown 47 Licensed Victualler b. Glasgow
Hannah S Brown 36 b. Sandhurst College
Juliana M Brown 7 b. Newcastle
Duncan H Brown 5 b. Newcastle
Adolphus Brown 3 b. Newcastle
Christine Brown 2 b. Newcastle
Hannah Brown 1 month b. Newcastle

Plus 3 servants.

14, Three Crowns, Buxton Street, All Saints East Ward, Newcastle Upon Tyne

Looking at the image, it should be 14 Buxton Street, Three Crowns etc.

[Coromandel]

Hannah S Brown 36 b. Sandhurst College

Hmm, that's interesting! So should we be looking for a military connection?

[malcolm99]

Edinburgh Post Office Directories

There is a Luis (aka Louis) Spindler, teacher of music, listed in this Edinburgh Post Office Directory 1841/42 although I suspect this is too late to be your Ludwig Spindler: http://www.
archive.org/stream/postofficeannual184142edin#page/114/mode/2up/search/spindler

He’s also in the 1832/33 Directory: http://www.
archive.org/stream/postofficeannual183233edin#page/178/mode/2up/search/spindler

There is also an entry for S. SPLINDER, teacher of music in the 1824-25 Directory:
http://www.
archive.org/stream/postofficeannual18241825edin#page/254/mode/2up/search/music

Lewis Spindler first appears as himself as a ‘teacher of music’ in the 1825-26 Directory:
http://www.
archive.org/stream/postofficeannual182526edin#page/176/mode/2up/search/music

Also just to say that a ‘professor’ of music in almost all cases just meant a teacher and not an academic appointment.