Looking for info on Pierre Joseph Newville

[Hazel1]

Hello

Thank you very much.

It is really bugging me not being able to find where the NEUVILLE’S have got to. I wonder where I can get a database for people (in particular FRENCH and in the early 1800’s) who became BRITISH NATIONALS. From the UK Census (1891 & 1901) I have found that Pierre Joseph (1842) and it seems like his sister ?? Dorothy Adelaide(1853) (Census 1901 as a visitor and Findmypast) were born in India as British Nationals but cannot find their birth details in FIBIS, Ancestry UK, Familysearch and have tried Geneanet to no avail. So their father and mother must have come from France. I have picked up a Pierre Joseph Neuville who was born in 1812 [he would have been 30 when Pierre Joseph (1842) was born] in Champenoux,Meurthe-ET-Moselle,France to parents Pierre Neuville and Barbe Recouvreur. No other records of him. (familysearch)

With this Pierre Joseph (1812) I cannot find anything else apart from this birth. So I am presuming that he is the one I am looking for who could have gone to India, got married [wife?????] and had Pierre Joseph (1842) and possibly Dorothy (1853) [more siblings????] registered as British Nationals.

Kind Regards
Hazel

[olliecat]

Hi Hazel, what does it say on Pierre's marriage certificate? I.e. age of bride and groom, fathers' names and occupations, witness names and so on.

[olliecat]

Interestingly, on FIBIS there is a will for a Peter ? F Newville in 1855. (Bengal Wills)

Could this be your Pierre's father? As I recall Pierre Joseph (born abt. 1842) called himself Peter on the 1911 census. It might be worth obtaining a copy of the will. Details on how to order can be found on the fibiwiki.

[olliecat]

Have you seen these on FIBIS?

Births/baptisms at Chandernagore.

Year 1840
First Name(s) Pierre, Joseph, François
Surname Neuville

Year 1837
First Name(s) Jules, Thomas
Surname Neuville

View Year 1837
First Name(s) Charles, Joseph, Alexandre
Surname Neuville

View Year 1837
First Name(s) Ernestine, Théodore, Rosalie
Surname Neuville

It says this ...

These data are of the Indexes only. The full details may be viewed at the Centre d'Archives d'Outre-Mer at Aix-en-Provence in France.

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There is also this marriage for Jules on Family Search.

groom's name: Jules Thomas Neuville
bride's name: Eva Rosina Macdowell
bride's birth date: 1840
bride's age: 18
marriage date: 24 May 1858
marriage place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
groom's father's name: Peter Neuville
bride's father's name: George Horace Macdowell

As well as this marriage for Charles.

groom's name: Charles Joseph Neuville
bride's name: Amelia Guthrie
bride's birth date: 1847
bride's age: 17
marriage date: 27 Jan 1864
marriage place: Mussoorie, Bengal, India
groom's father's name: Pierre Neuville
bride's father's name: William Guthrie

[olliecat]

There is also this a transcription of a marriage announcement on FIBIS. P.J.F. Neuville to A.R. Laforgue on 27 Jun 1831 at Chandernagore. These look likely to be the parents of Pierre Joseph and the other children.

Another record on FIBIs give the first names...

Year 1831
Groom Pierre, François, joseph
Groom Neuville
Bride Anne, Rosalie
Bride Lafergue
LDS Film No. 1083787

Once again it says that the full details may be viewed at the Centre d'Archives d'Outre-Mer at Aix-en-Provence in France.

There are a few other bits and pieces if you search under the name Neuville on FIBIS. But if I were you, I would now be after the 1840 birth record for Pierre Joseph and the 1831 marriage record for the parents(?) at the Centre d'Archives d'Outre-Mer. Also that 1855 will for Peter ? F Newville.

[olliecat]

Possibly another piece of the jigsaw from Family Search. Perhaps this is Anne Rosalie Neuville nee Lafergue.

name: Rosalie Neuville
gender: Female
burial date: 28 Nov 1883
burial place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
death date: 27 Nov 1883
age: 72
birth date: 1811
race: White
marital status: Widowed

[Hazel1]

THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH.
1. On the marriage certificate it says that his father is Pierre Joseph and was a Merchant. Marie Eugenie’s father was also a merchant with the name of Jean Labanhie. Pierre Joseph’s age was 32 (making his birth year at 1842) and was a civil engineer. Marie’s age was 24 (making hers 1850) and was a lady. At this stage I am only concentrating on the Neuvilles. Witnesses are HH Sevemolls, Sluyer and B Wodehouse, consul. It was performed in the District of British V Consul at Dunkirk France.
2. Thank you I will order a copy of the will. I did not know where to do so and kept looking at it. THANK YOU.
3. Thank you for giving me the place to look for the full details of births and marriages. I did look at them but due to Pierre Joseph (1812 - father) being so young at 19, pushed it aside. I will most definitely look at the full details there. That lot did bug me all the time. The thing is that all along I found that the men got married about 28-30+ so at 19 it seemed unplausable.
4. No I did not see the one on Rosalie’s death but that does tie up with the birth year of Pierre Joseph in Champenoux,Meurthe-ET-Moselle,France.
As you pointed out as well that these Neuville's like to change their names from Pierre to Peter and now adding Francois where it did not appear on the birth records. It makes so confusing.
I will keep you informed as to how I get along.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND FOR THE QUICK REPLY.
You people are really wonderful. Thank you once again.
Kind Regards
Hazel