ASHER HYMEN HART 1810-1871 PARENTS & SIBLINGS

[phillip]

Would you like to put some brief data to the names you refer to as your ancestors to help identify the individuals and their relationship to each other. Are you seeking specific further information on the families/individuals. If so, would you like support with researching them.
Phillip

[levy]

Lazarus (Lizer Leizer Eliezer) Lewis Brimingham Hart - 1743 - 20 Jan 1800
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Rachael 1752 - 1818

Children:

Elizabeth Hart - 1881 -
Asher Hart - 1886 - 1860

Elizabeth married
Hyam Hart (1780 - 1828) at the Great Synagogue London 23 June 1802

Children:

Henry Hyam Hart (1808 - 14 October 1880) - He is the only one I know about but I haven't looked!

Henry Hyam Hart married Ann Nancy Mordecai (1811 - 1894) in 1825 in London

Children:

Sarah Harriet (1825 - 21 July 1907)
Rachael
Sarah
Henry Hyam
Joel
Amelia
Rebecca
Lawrence
Elvina
Isabella
Benjamin
Asher


Sarah Harriet Hart married Jean Francois Allemand (1827 - 1912)

Children:

Melanie Isabelle (1866 - 1935)
Camille Auguste
Adela Caroline

If you would like more then sing out! I have lots!

[phillip]

I see on Rootschat that there are significant numbers of postings relating to the Henry Hyam Hart/Ann Nancy Mordecai family including records on BMD. One of the records indicates they arrived in Port Elizabeth March 1855. Have you seen these records and if so, which particular lines are you most interested in researching?
Phillip

[rockyboy]

Phillip and RockyBoy, I think I am a direct descendant of the same Lazerus Hart (Lazerus Hart, Elizabeth Hart, Henry Hyam, Sarah Harriet Hart, Melanie Allemand, Lewis Levy, Leon Levy, Keith Levy, me) Lazerus is my 5th ggf I don't have much info on them but they are in my tree! I have Asher and Elizabeth as Rachel and Lazerus's children.

Levy
I was looking through my old posts and realized that i had not replied to your post. You certainly are
a descendent of Lazarus and Rachel Hart. I am descended through Elizabeths line. I dont know how much you have discovered about them by now, but i have 105 pages of the Hart family tree that was given
to me. Which of their children is your line coming through?.
Rocky boy

[Dom1]

Phillip, Asher Hyam Hart is on my tree, wife Rachel (nee Joseph, my 1st cousin X4) parents, Hyams & Elizabeth (Brendel), his siblings Miriam, Edward & Isaac. are also relevant to my tree.

[rockyboy]

Dom1
You and i are both descended from Elizabeth Hart(1776-18/5/1848). Her parents were Lazarus/
Lizer/Leizer/Lewis Hart (1743-20/1/1800) and Rachel Hart(1752-17/9/1818). They lived and worked in
the second hand clothing trade in Rosemary Lane Whitechapel, now called Royal Mint Road. Rachela was
buried in Peters Court on Rosemary Lane. The great mystery is that both Lazarus and Rachel were buried
under the name of Birmingham, not Hart.As you are in the UK you might have a better chance of finding
out why this happened. Are you aware that Elizabeths brother John went to America after serving in
the Royal Navy and married Isabella Behilah Levy (1791- 1830) in New York. She came from one of the most famous Jewish families in early America. Their daughter Elvina Hart (22/10/1822- 21/5/1904) married
Rabbi Moses Rintel(1823-1880), in Melbourne in 1849. He was the senior Jewish minister in the colony
of Victoria. I have a great deal more to tell you , so pkease reply soon.
Rockyboy (Peter)

[Dom1]

Hi Peter,
no, I am not descended from any Hart.

Asher Hyam Hart (1811-1871) (son of Hyams & Elizabeth/Brendel) married my 1st cousin X4 Rachel Joseph (1818-1881).
Also, the descendants of Asher's siblings, Miriam.Edward & Isaac married various cousins of mine.

And, thank you for telling me that John Israel Hart was Elizabeth's brother, I wondered if he were related. On my tree I have him married to both Isabella Levy (of New York) and Miriam Louisa (daughter of Hyams & Elizabeth).

As a rule, I don't include unrelated people on my tree, but your Hart family married into several branches on my tree.

May I ask which of The Hart children you descend from? Perhaps we are cousins?

[phillip]

Dominic
I note on the Susser Archives "Coats of Many Colours" JCR-UK reference to John Israel Hart and his brother Benjamin. The archives records that John had a sister who married a Hart and their son Asher married Florence daughter of Joseph Hart of Northampton whose sister Katherine married Benjamin Nathan of Dover. John Israel's son Henry I Hart 1820-1884 emigrated to Australia. John Israel Hart was married twice 1 Isabella Levy 2 Miriam Hart.
On a separate note there was speculation, which I have yet to prove, in a pamphlet written by one of my Phillips/Solomon distant relatives that John and Benjamin were related to my Hart lines. My father had also mentioned our connection to the De Beer lines. There is nothing in my current research to confirm the accuracy of these speculations but I am keeping an open mind.
Phillip

[Dom1]

From what I know, and I am not a descendant, John Israel married twice, Miriam Hart was in fact his niece. Asher Hyam Hart (nephew of John Israel and son of his sister Elizabeth (Brendel) and Hyam ) born 1811 married my 1st cousin Rachel Joseph (d of Joseph Joseph and my grt...aunt Amelia (nee Nathan)

The Asher Hart who married Florence was born 1843 in Brighton, Sussex, parents Lipman Hart & Sarah (nee Benjamin) - they are not on my tree. All the trees with this Asher on show no parents for Lipman) I believe that The Susser Archives might have muddled The Harts. Perhaps Peter might be able to shed some light. These trees by the way feature Nathans, Solomon & Solomons - none of these are related to me.

Phillip do you mean De Beer diamonds? I have the Oppenheimers on my tree.

[phillip]

Dominic
My father had suggested that the De Beers diamond merchants in SA were relatives but I had also noted De Beers linked to the Hart in Australia. Like you I am very cautious about linking families without primary evidence. I have none to suggest such a link other than my Crawcour relatives and great grandfather Ernest Henry Hart settling in SA. That is not sufficient evidence so I will await my further research.
Phillip