Welsh 1871 Look Up

[Ladygene]

Hi am looking for this father and son in Durham 1871 please:-

1881 18, Monsell St, Linthorpe
WELCH, Peter Head Widower M 60 1821 Bricklayers Labr Deaf Ireland
WELCH, Patrick Son Single M 19 1862 Genl Labr London Middlesex

Many thanks.........

[Richard1955]

Hi Ladygene
The 1881 census ref: RG11 4856/22.37
The 1871 is probably: RG10 75/10/11
Shows Peter b1821
Winifred b 1859
Patrick b 1862
Some variations in birthplaces. All visiting.
Crown Copyright TNA

[Pam Downes]

This would seem to be them, but not quite where you expected.

RG10/75 folio 10 page 11
14 Manor Gardens, Chelsea

Peter WELSH (sic), visitor, mar, 50, labourer, Ireland Galway
Winnifred (sic) WELSH, visitor, 12, Surrey Lambeth
Patrick WELSH, visitor, 9, Surrey Lambeth

Head of the household is listed as Bridget Marny, mother, Wid, 38, charwoman, Ireland Kilkenny.

(Census in care of TNA, & Crown copyright)

Pam

[pennydog]

Try RG10/75/10/11 Crown copyright/care of TNA

Manor Gardens Chelsea (transcribed as Welsh on FMP - looks ike Welsh on the original too),
Peter b Ireland 1821 Gallway
Winifred b Lambeth Surrey 1859
Patrick b Lambeth Surrey 1862

Visitors to Bridget Barny b1833 Ireland Kilkenny

[Sue Mackay]

Is this possible?
RG10; Piece: 75; Folio: 10; Page: 11 (original TNA Crown copyright)

Not in Durham, but visitors in Chelsea

Peter WELSH 50 mar b Galway, Ireland
Winnifred Welsh 12 b Lambeth
Patrick Welsh 9 b Lambeth

[Richard1955]

Well I have never seen that before. 4 replies that are all the same.
I'll go and put the kettle on as I'm not needed !

[Mitch in Notts]

Even more amusing I've just opened this thread, as its showing 5 replies but 0 views. How do you have someone reply to a thread without it being viewed first, or do we have gremlins lol!!

[Pam Downes]

Presumably (because of Winnifred in 1871) this is the family in 1861. (Winefred's [sic] birth registered Wandsworth registration district September quarter 1858)

RG9/368 folio 310 page 13
50 Crescent Road Clapham

Peter WELCH, head, mar, 42 labourer bricklayer, Ireland
Marger, wife, 33, Ireland
Marger, daur, 10, Middlesex Chelsea
Wineford, daur, 3, Surrey Clapham

But, and this is a very big but, if these are direct ancestors then I would advise you to get the birth certificate for Patrick to confirm his mother's maiden name.
There's a Peter and Mary, and a Peter and Margaret, both hanging around London in 1851 and 1861, and it would seem to me that it should be Peter and Mary who are the parents of Winifred-of-the-variant-spellings. i.e. It's wrong to assume that 'Marger' should be Margaret; more likely an enumerator mistranscription of Mary.
Patrick's birth registration June quarter 1861 Wandsworth registration district

(Census in care of TNA, & Crown copyright)

Pam

[Ladygene]

Many thanks to everyone for such a brilliant response, and no I hadn't looked for them outside of Durham. Will order the birth certificate for Patrick, cheers all from ladygene.