Richard Cock St Minver

[PSzelewski52]

FMP oh of course!
I believe that Samuel was a carpenter. From the lesleydawson.net family tree they have Samuel m Mary Hoyle and Samuel as a carpenter and Mariner. Obviously I can't be sure of this info yet as I haven't seen the documents that substantiate it. But it could be that they have seen the parish records which give the details. I don't want to be guilty of jumping to the wrong conclusion however convenient that might be. I've waited a long time to find out about the ancestors and would like to get it right and understand their lives. All the clues might lead me to the right place.
Henry and Sarh Cock in St Pancras was the other census that I had looked at as a possibility, but I couldn't tie them in either, and it would mean that I would be looking for Richard Cock in yet another location on his own. It's not out of the question and I guess the jury's still out.

[PSzelewski52]

Oh yes, I noticed that. I've been trying to find Matilda, Bowles could be her married name. I shall have to look further. Looks as if the family were very busy in the building trades.

[Mutley]

Henry and Sarh Cock in St Pancras was the other census that I had looked at as a possibility, but I couldn't tie them in either, and it would mean that I would be looking for Richard Cock in yet another location on his own. It's not out of the question and I guess the jury's still out.

I was looking at the young Richard Mills that was in the household of Henry and Sarah Cock with a 15 year old Mary Ann and 15 year old Sarah. HO107, Piece 684, Book 8, Civil Parish St Pancras (TNA Copyright)
He seems to have been baptised on 22 Nov 1840 the son of Richard and Henrietta Mills of Park Street.
Unfortunately, I cannot tie these in with your Richard at all.

A Richard Mills married at St. George, Hanover Square in March 1839. On the same page there is only one female with the name of Henrietta, her surname is Cook! Cook and Cock are often muddled up so it is possible that she is related to Henry.
Now to find out if they are related to your Richard......

[Mutley]

A Richard Mills married at St. George, Hanover Square in March 1839. On the same page there is only one female with the name of Henrietta, her surname is Cook! Cook and Cock are often muddled up so it is possible that she is related to Henry.
Now to find out if they are related to your Richard......

Henrietta was baptised in 1816 the daughter of Henry and Sarah COOK at St. Luke Finsbury. It is definitely COOK so that makes it very possible that the census is transcribed incorrectly as Cock instead of Cook.
That eliminates this family from your searches.

[PSzelewski52]

Thx Mutley, this would be very nice if I link Henry to Richard, but I still can't be sure that my Richard is the one on the IGI 1808 as all my census indicate somewhere between 1801-1803, of course the 3 could be an 8 if it was written in pencil. I'm trying very hard not to tie this in yet. I have read some posts elsewhere on the boards where folks have linked in to families without proof and cause upset. So with this in mind I will work my way through getting my documents and hope to access parish records. I've been looking at some of the old maps of London to make some sense of the moves, too. I think that St Pancras is an unlikely destination for Mary Ann to have gone to but not out of the question. I have just recveived the birth certificate for Mary Ann Cock's (m Bennett) daughter, Mary Ann Bennett who was born in Plark Place, Haggerstone, Shoreditch district. Slow steps I know but hopefully it will all eventually connect. Still waiting on the Probate docs.

[PSzelewski52]

Just got the copy of Richard Cock's Will. Exciting stuff! It'll take me a time to read this old writing, but on first glance it looks like Richard has named his grandchildren in his will, along with his wife, Kezia. I was hoping to get into Hackney this week but will give it a miss in view of what's going on there.

[PSzelewski52]

Well, I am still plodding on with Richard! Following on from everyone's great advice I ordered a copy of the Will of Richard Cock and it was great to see his family members all listed as recipients of his possessions. I am waiting on a copy of the death certificate. Jellylegs, I had a look on the Parish records on Family Search and found the family as you have described and also on the OPC. I think I thought it unlikely as that would have meant that Richard would have only been 17 years old when he married a much older Keziah Stocker b 1794 but then, maybe that wasn't uncommon? I found a copy of a Will for Samuel Cock in 1818 on the OPC, which names his children and wife, amongst them are Robert Cock....could this be a variation of name? However I can't find the births for any of Samuel and Joan's children on any records to verify it, I found Samuel m Joan Blewit 1791 Lanteglos by Camelford, but Joan must have died before Samuel and definately before 1841 when Richard was visiting with his daughter. There's another couple of Richards I found one born to Thomas and Jenefer Cock 7.11.05 in Camborne and a Richard, son of Richard Cock (no mother listed) b 29.5.1803 in Zennor. (OPC database) The problem that I see with these is that the location is wrong. I've had a look at the parish records looking for a Richard, base child born to anyone just in case the mother marries into Cock family later on and bringing her child with her who later assumes the surname, no joy. The jury is still out...if anyone has any further thoughts I'd love to hear them.