Parish mix up

[annabel]

I am trying to see if I can buy on Parish Chest, or ask for a look up, for an area in Suffolk, but I am completely confused as to what they are actually called!

The registration district that comes up is Hoxne, often with no other info, but I think there are lots of parishes and hundreds there. It is also a village. I also have Wilby, which either in or nearby Hoxne, Stradbroke and Bury St Edmunds, the latter may be a red herring.

All these places are associated with one person about 1841-1852, Frances Welton, and her husband George Godbould.

Can anyone explain to me where I am looking for? Or do I have to know the exact church?

[notanotherminer]

Hi Annabel

Unfortunately the transcribed Suffolk parish records that I've been able to find so far seem to have a cut off of around 1837. Can you tell us exactly what information it is that you require please so we can take a look and see how best we can help?

[Nicolina]

looking at the 1841 Census she appears to be in Stradbroke Workhouse with 3 probable siblings one of whom was John born about 1835. In 1851 there is a John born about 1835 with his parents John & Kezia at Old Mill Road, Badingham (HO107/1796/458 Page 3). Mother Kezia's place of birth is given as Laxfield, whilst the rest of the family were all born in Badingham.
It's not definite but could be a starting point.
There is also a marriage, at Laxfield, on 12th December 1820 between John WELTON and Kezia HEFFER.

[annabel]

Hello,
part of my question was about that census in 1841. I think Frances Welton b 1836 Hoxne (or Bury St Edmunds) may have had a sister Mary Ann b 1829 Hoxne and I am trying to find a family with both of them in it. Unfortunately, after what you have found, I know that Frances' father was George, a stone mason. was wondering if John's baptism could be found. If it was right, his age could be 3 years too old like his sisters in the census so 1838

Also, Frances was married Jul-Sept 1852 to George Godbold in Suffolk, and their daughter was born in Oct in Wildy
George almost certainly died 1853 although is is possible in the years either side.I need to know the specific date to prove or disprove his alledged son's legitimacy. Is there a record of one in Wildy, because there are quite a few Georges, I don't know if it shows a wife

Sister (if I am right) Mary Ann b 1829 married William Phillips- b 1832 in Hants- between 1851 and 61 possibly in the Hoxne area, although it might have been in London. Is there a record of this as I cannot find a BMD record?

I hope this is not too much, but any help is appreciated

[Kerrywood]

To help with just one part of this ...

George almost certainly died 1853 although is is possible in the years either side.I need to know the specific date to prove or disprove his alledged son's legitimacy. Is there a record of one in Wildy, because there are quite a few Georges

According to the National Burial Index, a George GODBOLD aged 25 was buried at St Mary Wilby on 11 Feb 1853.

Have you seen this 1851 census?

HO107/1796 folio 81 page 47 (record held by TNA, Crown copyright)
Pixey Green, Stradbroke
John Watling Head Mar 34 Farmer 70 Acres born Suffolk Hoxne
Emma Watling Wife Mar 33 born Suffolk Laxfield
Frances Welton Servant U 18 House Servant born Suffolk Hoxne
George Godbold Servant U 23 Farm Lab born Suffolk Wibly
(both Ancestry and FMP have indexed Frances as WILLOW)

For anyone else trying to help, Annabel has a related thread here.

[notanotherminer]

A search of the GRO Death Index from 1852-1857 show 2 deaths at Hoxne for a George Godbold. Both of these were in 1853.

Mar qtr 1853 Hoxne vol 4a page 378 and

Dec qtr 1853 Hoxne vol 4a page 325

Unfortunately ages at death weren't included on the indexes at this time to give a clue which (if any) Georges were yours.

I understand your query and why the exact date is so important. What was the name of their son and when was he born? Presumably you're looking to see if the birth took place within 9 months of George's death.

Hopefully the above deaths might act as finding aid for one of our members to find a possible burial. I've been looking but so far I can't find a burial record.

On the subject of Frances' father, how do you know that he was George, a stonemason? Do you have the marriage certificate or have you found her baptism?

It would be helpful and enable us to assist you better if you could post all the information that you have for her. Are you saying for instance that she was baptised when she was 3 years old so you're unsure of her actual place of birth? If so when was this baptism and does the record indicate a date of birth?

[notanotherminer]

According to the National Burial Index, a George GODBOLD aged 25 was buried at St Mary Wilby on 11 Feb 1853.

Wilby being part of the Hoxne Registration District the above burial would match the death which occurred in the March quarter.

[notanotherminer]

For anyone else trying to help, Annabel has a related thread here.

Thanks Kerrywood. That's answered some of my earlier questions.

[Kerrywood]

From the other thread, post #56 ...

I have also been looking at her baptism to see if I can work out if her sister is Mary Ann who married William Phillips as found previously. I have found what might be her in 1841 in a workhouse in Hoxne. No parents and aged 9 when she should be 5
piece 1026 book 6 folio 47 page 9
Mary Ann 14
Charles 11
John 6
Frances 9

There are several possible baptisms I can find for these names, but they all have different parents
Can anyone find any that go in a family together?

These baptisms are found on FamilySearch, all children of John WELTON and Mary, and baptised at Hoxne.

George Welton
born 17 Oct 1825
baptised 14 Feb 1830

Mareanne Welton
born 25 Dec 1827
baptised 14 Feb 1830

Charles Welton
baptised 14 Feb 1830

Frances Welton
baptised 7 Apr 1833

John Welton
baptised 20 Sep 1835

I'd be tempted to wonder if the 1856 marriage register for Frances GODBOLD (née WELTON) and Edward FRICKER, which records Frances' father as George WELTON, is in error on that point?

I think you will probably have to order the 1852 marriage certificate, to double-check the father's name.

[annabel]

Thanks to you both. I keep writing posts and then they do not go on the thread, so here goes again.

Thanks for that info on the buriel. That is fantastic and proves lots of things. Is that the index on FMP?

I did not want to keep boring people with the same story on different threads, I was merely trying to find out where to look as I am confused by the parishes. I was not expecting everone to do it all!

Frances was married again in London and from that we know the little about her father. She went to London in 1854, so no more Suffolk records. There seem to me to be lots of different areas around Hoxne and I am not sure when they are the same place, so when I find a record I am finding it hard to work out if it likely to be the right family, as there are so many families with the same names

My mention of the 3 years is only because if the workhouse census family is correct, then both Francis and Mary Ann are written as 3
years older in it, so John may have been too- clutching at straws maybe!

I had found that census with frances as a servant. i have a possible Mary Ann as a servant too at the same time, which to me points to being placed there to get out of the workhouse. i seem to remember hearing that. On the other hand it could all be co insidence!

My certificates for related things are starting to come in, and I will post results on the original thread