My Wife's Welsh ancestors - a headache

[Colin Rowledge]

Yesterday, my wife was a "happy lady" as Swansea beat Reading and for the 1st time in 28 years will now join the 'top-flight' league next year.

Today, before leaving for work, she 'suggested' that, as I hadn't looked at her family this month, now would be a good time. To keep the mood going, I agreed!!

That is turning out to be a headache. I need help from above, possibly from the 's

More information shortly.

[Colin Rowledge]

The problems I am having, I think need to be addressed specifically, rather than jumping about all over the place, so if we are in agreement here is the 1st question:

Where were my wife's 2X great grandparents in 1851?

James Morgans aged 27 a bachelor, married Mary Davies aged 28 a spinster, in Narbeth in 1849. He was an Agricultural labourer. I cannot locate them in 1851 [neither on A or FMP].

[Richard1955]

Have you excluded this one:

1851: RG number:HO107 Piece:2459 Folio:323 Page:2
Crown Copyright TNA

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[Colin Rowledge]

Yes, Richard. My chap was an Ag. Lab. when he married. In both '61 and '71 he was still an Ag. Lab. and by the late '70s was a Tenant Farmer of 32 acres until his death in 1903.

As well, both he and Mary were born in Pembrokeshire.

[Coromandel]

Hi Colin

Could you give us the census references for later sightings of James & Mary, please?

Thanks!

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Colin

Could you give us the census references for later sightings of James & Mary, please?

Thanks!

Certainly - crown copyright c/o TNA
1861 - RG9/4165/50/6
1871 - RG10/5529/6/6
1881 - RG11/5419/134/5
1891 - RG12/4537/59/5
1901 - RG13/5129/69/9

James died in 1903 and Mary in 1905

[Richard1955]

Colin
Can you choose an easy name to search for a change or do you want everyone to have a headache ?

Is it possible that there is an error with the marriage and later than 1851 and before 1853.
There is a possible James in 1851 that is still with parents and farmers in the area.

[Colin Rowledge]

Colin
Can you choose an easy name to search for a change or do you want everyone to have a headache ?

This is my family - either by birth or marriage. With the headaches I have, since I cannot eliminate my family - I feel I must share the load.

I have lots of 'easy names' to research and those I can handle.

When "the going gets tough, the tough get going". Not chicken are you?

At least, I've not asked for assistance with Jones, recently

[Richard1955]

Okay, I'll continue for a bit.
How about the marriage Dec qtr 1852 11a 953 to Mary Jinkins?

and the James on HO107 2480/357/11 Crown copyright TNA

[Colin Rowledge]

Okay, I'll continue for a bit.
How about the marriage Dec qtr 1852 11a 953 to Mary Jinkins?

and the James on HO107 2480/357/11 Crown copyright TNA

For some reason - why I don't know - I can't finf the census reference you listed.

I'll assume it says under marital status 'widower' but if the marriage to Mery Jinkins in 1852 is mine, then how can I accept Catharine's birth cert in 1853 with a mother's maiden names "DAVIES"?

Catharine was born early in 1853