Can someone help find JAMES TURNER?

[Colin Rowledge]

I think this is the right place for this thread - but if not, I'm sure it will placed in its' rightful home!!

To my knowledge, all events happened in Buckinghamshire

James Turner was born about 1823 in Great Missenden. His wife, Edith Free was born about 1822 in Highenden.

They married in 1846 in Amersham. Their 1st child was Mary Ann born 1847 in Amersham and she became the wife of my 2nd GG Uncle [Samuel Rowledge]

By 1851 they family had added 2 more children - Elizabeth [1849] born in Amersham and James Henry [1851] born in Amersham. The 1851 census has them in Chipping Wycombe, where James is a Labourer and the birth place of the 2 girls was Great Missenden which is in the Amersham registration district. James Henry was born in Chipping Wycombe, a couple of months before the census.

In 1852 another daughter, Sophia, was born in Chipping Wycombe.

The 1861 census has the 4 children in the Union Workhouse as Paupers,in Amersham. There is no sign of James.

I have a possible death for James that fits based upon age in Aylesbury,[1884] but before I buy that death cert. I would like some help in tracking him down after Edith died. Given his circumstance, I don't think he could emigrate and I have not found an immigrant by that name leaving prior to 1861 and after 1855.

So where was James and why were the kiddies in the workhouse?

Colin

Edith, his wife died in 1855 in Chipping Wycombe. I do not have her death cert. either

[josie7644]

Hello Colin,

Have you discounted this death?

First quarter 1855 in Wycombe - James Turner - vol 3a page 321 (No age at death is given.)

Josie

[Colin Rowledge]

Hello Colin,

Have you discounted this death?

First quarter 1855 in Wycombe - James Turner - vol 3a page 321 (No age at death is given.)

Hi Josie
Hadn't exactly discounted that one and I should have included it in my original post, but the time of death was so close to Edith's that I felt that it was too much of a coincidence. Apart from buying both death cert. what other options are available to me in Canada? Would anything be available from Parish Records?

[Jan1954]

Apart from buying both death cert. what other options are available to me in Canada? Would anything be available from Parish Records?

Why not whizz off an email to The Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies, asking if they would check the Parish Records for Chipping Wycombe. It may well be that something happened resulting in the deaths of both Edith and James.

[Pam Downes]

I personally think the 1884 death refers to the James Turner who was living in Waddesdon in 1871 and 1881, but is conspicuous by his absence in 1891. Waddesdon is in the Aylesbury registration district.

As well as the death registration in 1855, there is also a death registration for a James Turner June quarter 1854 Amersham registration district. Though in view of the fact that the family were living in Chipping Wycombe (Wycombe registration district) in 1851, and Edith died in that district, then I would say that the 1855 registration for James in Wycombe district is the more likely one.

The deaths of both parents would explain why the children were in the workhouse in 1861.

Though I do have to ask you, Colin, why you are worrying so much about people who are actually no blood relative to you. Yes, I suppose it would be nice to 'finish off' Mary's Ann's parents, and it might in fact be part of your research as to why Mary Ann was in the workhouse in 1861, but with people that distant in my tree it would be noted as 'believed died abc quarter [year] xyz registration district' unless I could find out the information easily without spending any money.
Pam

[Colin Rowledge]

The deaths of both parents would explain why the children were in the workhouse in 1861.

Though I do have to ask you, Colin, why you are worrying so much about people who are actually no blood relative to you. Yes, I suppose it would be nice to 'finish off' Mary's Ann's parents, and it might in fact be part of your research as to why Mary Ann was in the workhouse in 1861, but with people that distant in my tree it would be noted as 'believed died abc quarter [year] xyz registration district' unless I could find out the information easily without spending any money.
Pam

Pam.
My reason for 'worrying' as you put it is because I am assisiting others who are descended from the Rowledge line, both by blood and marriage.

As for why I spent my money, that is my decision as to whether I spend it on beer or on certificates to assist others who matter to me.

[Colin Rowledge]

Why not whizz off an email to The Centre for Buckinghamshire Studies, asking if they would check the Parish Records for Chipping Wycombe. It may well be that something happened resulting in the deaths of both Edith and James.

Hi Jan - thanks for the link. Have sent them an email. We'll see what they have to say for themselves.

[Pam Downes]

My apologies, Colin. My 'worrying' was done with the best of intentions.

I was thinking just in terms of you searching for yourself. I hadn't thought about you helping others.
I should have thought about it, as I'm guilty of doing the same thing myself - I was even going to photocopy a cousin's relatives entries in a PR at the same time as mine until I reckoned up the number of entries and found that hers and mine came to about a hundred quid! (I am now having a serious re-think about photo-copying just mine! )

Hence my thought of trying to save you a few pennies, as I know the cost of certificates can soon mount up.
Pam