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    Hi, I'd be really grateful if anyone can help me trace my Firmin roots back further than Josiah where I have hit a brick wall. I have managed to gather some information but can't go further back... His place of birth is Maplestead in Essex and he married a Mary Taunton...pasted below is everything I know....

    Name: Mary Taunton
    Spouse: Josiah Firmin
    Marriage Date: 1835
    Parish: Hackney Middlesex


    1861 Census
    FIRMIN, Josiah Head Married M 45 1816 Smith
    Essex
    FIRMIN, Mary A Wife Married F 46 1815
    Spitalfields Middlesex
    FIRMIN, Wm Son Unmarried M 14 1847 Porter Shop Greenwich Kent
    FIRMIN, Geo Son M 11 1850 Errand Boy Stratford Essex


    RG number:
    RG09 Piece:
    66 Folio:
    130 Page:
    23

    Registration District:
    Marylebone Sub District:
    1 All Souls Enumeration District:
    4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
    All Saints

    Civil Parish:
    Marylebone Municipal Borough:
    Marylebone Address:
    18, Adam & Eve Court, Oxford Street, Marylebone County:
    London, Middlesex


    1861 England Census
    about Geo Firmin
    Name: Geo Firmin
    Age: 11
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
    Relation: Son
    Father's Name: Josiah
    Mother's Name: May A
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Stratford, Essex, England

    Civil parish: St Marylebone
    Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
    County/Island: Middlesex
    Country: England

    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Josiah Firmin 45
    May A Firmin 46
    Wm Firmin 14
    Geo Firmin 11

    Household FIRMIN, Josiah 1816 45 M Marylebone London, Middlesex
    Registration district: Marylebone
    Sub-registration district: All Souls
    ED, institution, or vessel: 4
    Neighbors: View others on page
    Household schedule number: 135
    Household Members: Name Age
    Josiah Firmin 45 Maplestead Essex
    May A Firmin 46 Or MARY 1815 Spitalfields, Middlesex
    Wm Firmin 14 1847 Greenwich, Kent
    Geo Firmin 11 1850 Stratford, Essex

    RG9; Piece: 66; Folio: 130; Page: 23

    also on Family Search
    Name: Josiah Firmin
    Event: Census
    Event Date: 1861
    Gender: Male
    Age: 45
    Relationship to Head of Household: Head
    Birthplace: ..., Essex
    Record Type: Household
    Registration District: Marylebone
    Sub-district: 1 All Souls
    Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
    Civil Parish: Marylebone
    County: London, Middlesex

    possible

    Name: Josiah Firmen
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
    Year of Registration: 1890
    Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Age at Death: 75
    District: Islington
    County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
    Volume: 1b
    Page: 189

    1871 England Census
    about James Firmin <~~~~~ am betting on typoese again!
    Name: James Firmin
    Age: 57
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
    Relation: Head
    Spouse's Name: Mary A
    Gender: Male
    >>>>Where born: Maplestead, Essex, England
    Civil parish: Lambeth
    Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
    County/Island: London
    Country: England
    Registration district: Lambeth
    Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First
    ED, institution, or vessel: 6
    Household schedule number: 198
    Household Members: Name Age
    James Firmin 57
    Mary A Firmin 56 Spitlefields Middx
    Harriett Mathers 7 Grandaughter 1864 Lambeth, Surrey
    RG10; Piece: 648; Folio: 57; Page: 29
    RG number:
    RG10 Piece:
    648 Folio:
    57 Page:
    29

    Registration District:
    Lambeth Sub District:
    Waterloo 1st Part Enumeration District:
    6 Ecclesiastical Parish:


    Civil Parish:
    Lambeth Municipal Borough:
    Lambeth Address:
    Commercial Rd, Lambeth County:
    London, Surrey


    Household FIRMIN, James 1815 66 M Islington Middlesex VIEW


    Deaths Dec 1890
    Firmen Josiah 75 Islington 1b 189

    I can't trace much about the sudden appearance of Harriet Mathers either.....

    Thanking anyone in anticipation

    Jan X
    Last edited by Mutley; 21-04-2011 at 9:32 PM. Reason: (records crown copyright, care of the TNA)

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    THis looks like them minus Josiah. Birth places and dates match for William and George with later census.

    1851 census HO107 piece 1768 folio 258 page 35

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    Is this possibly him in 1881? (from Familysearch)
    RG11 Piece / Folio 0279 / 7 Page 9

    James Firmin, aged 66, widower, living at Esher Road, Middlesex.

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    His place of birth is Maplestead in Essex
    OK, can you explain what the brick wall is exactly? Have you looked at the parish registers of the Maplesteads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazee1ady View Post
    I can't trace much about the sudden appearance of Harriet Mathers either.....
    Been trying to figure out which of Josiah/Mary's children could be Harriet's parents.

    So far, it looks like...

    Daughter Harriet Firmin (born abt 1843 in shoreditch) married Samuel Glover in 1882 at Upper Holloway St John.
    Samuel Glover, 42, widower, carpenter, 82 Elthorne Rd, father William Glover (deceased), ??
    Harriet Firmin, 39, spinster, 82 Elthorne Rd, father Josiah Daniel Firmin, smith
    Witnesses: Henry Shannon?, Harriet Anne Firmen???

    Note: For some reason, I can't get the image to zoom past 100% and so cannot read William Glover's occupation or the witness names properly. Perhaps someone else can check this.
    Looks like Samuel and Harriet are In the 1891 census:

    1891: RG12 Piece: 187 Folio: 115 Page: 10 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

    However, I suspect Harriet and Samuel were living together before the 1882 marriage.

    1881: RG11 Piece: 247 Folio: 64 Page: 10 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

    There is also a daughter Harriet A Glover born 1864 in Lambeth. So I'm wondering if this is the Harriet Mathers you found in the 1871 census. This is just a suspicion and further work is needed on this.

    Possibly Harriet in 1911.

    1911: RG14/9683 SN173

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    Checking out daughter Mary Ann Firmin to see if she is likely to be Harriet Mathers mum.

    Looks like she married Benjamin Carr in 1854 at Bethnal Green St James the Less.
    Benjamin Carr, full, bachelor, gas fitter, 50 Fuller St, Joseph Carr, painter
    Mary Ann Firmin, full, spinster, 16 Hare St, Josiah Carr, smith
    Witnesses: Thomas Dixon, Joseph Titchener
    This could be them in the census:

    1861: RG09 Piece: 202 Folio: 89 Page: 31 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

    1871: RG10 Piece: 495 Folio: 83 Page: 31 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

    1881: RG11 Piece: 1730 Folio: 163 Page: 110 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

    No sign of a daughter Harriet.

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    it could be ...the names got very badly transcribed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Goodey View Post
    OK, can you explain what the brick wall is exactly? Have you looked at the parish registers of the Maplesteads?
    not sure how to unless I take a trip there and time/cost/young family gets in the way of that? Are they online? Brickwall is finding his parents..as I said at the beginning I can't seem to go back further...

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    Baptisms have been transcribed on FreeREG for the following...
    1. Little Maplestead, St John the Baptist, 1690-1829
    2. Great Maplestead, St Giles, 1697-1812
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    freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

    Unfortunately, the dates covered for Great Maplestead fall short of the date you are interested in.

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    There are ways round logistical problems.

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