Faulkner Ringwood Hampshire 1851 Census

[Bob Topley]

I've run up against a brick wall trying to find the birth record for a grandson William Reeves age 2 born in Ringwood Hampshire. In the 1851 census for Ringwood his grandparents are William and Elizabeth Faulkner and to the best of my knowledge their children were Emma 1824, Maria 1828, and George 1835. However, in 1851 census only George Faulkner was still living at home. Further, in the 1851 census there was also a daughter in law Harriet Marsh 1816 and her children Peter Marsh 1836, Charles Marsh 1838 and Fanny Marsh 1842. I'm trying to figure out if William Reeves maybe a son of Emma or Maria. I have tried to find a birth record to no avail. Any thoughts or suggestions for me to chase down? Thanks.

[josie7644]

Hello,
I am wondering whether the daughter-in-law Harriet Marsh married Israel Reeves. (Can't see the connection with Faulkner, though!)

The reason I am asking is that on Family Search, I have found the christening of William Reeves on 29 July 1849, in Minstead, Hampshire. [Indexing project 101723 - 7; source film number 6344382] (Don't know how close Minstead and Ringwood are!)

William's parents are listed as Israel Reeves and Harriet.

Josie

[josie7644]

Hm - maybe not! Just found another child of the said Harriet and Israel - Sarah Ann in 1847!
sorry!

Josie

[Kevin Garrad]

Harriet is marked in 1851 as "Daughter-in-law" but is also unmarried.
I think they used to use that term to also denote a step-daughter?

So, was Elizabeth married before? To a Mr. March?

She is also with William & Elizabeth in 1841, together with another 2 daughters, Sarah (1832) and Mary (1834).

[Kevin Garrad]

Have found this on FamilySearch:

Marriage 1st March 1830, Christchurch
William Faulkner = Elizabeth Marsh

Harriett and daughters were enumerated as Marsh on the 1841 census.

[Kevin Garrad]

Just thinking here!
The William born to Israel & Harriett was baptised in July 1849. That seems a little too young for me?
In any case, the family can be found at HO107/1668/300/8, so it's the wrong William.

The 1851 census was taken on 30th March 1851.
So, for William Reeves to be declared as 2 years old, he must have been born between April 1848 and April 1849?

Also, I cannot find in FreeBMD any births of a William Reeves in Ringwood at that time?
Neither can I find a William Reeves, aged about 12, born in Ringwood, in the 1861 census

Just 1 William looks likely, according to FreeBMD:

September qtr 1848
Southampton district Vol 7, page 199

And this looks likely from Family Search:
Birth 18th June 1848
Baptism 22nd October 1848 - St Mary's Southampton
Parents: William Reaves & Ann Maria Reaves

I may be wrong in my thinking, so Please feel free to put me right! ;-)

Census reference copyright, and in care of TNA

[Bob Topley]

Just thinking here!
The William born to Israel & Harriett was baptised in July 1849. That seems a little too young for me?
In any case, the family can be found at HO107/1668/300/8, so it's the wrong William.

The 1851 census was taken on 30th March 1851.
So, for William Reeves to be declared as 2 years old, he must have been born between April 1848 and April 1849?

Also, I cannot find in FreeBMD any births of a William Reeves in Ringwood at that time?
Neither can I find a William Reeves, aged about 12, born in Ringwood, in the 1861 census

Just 1 William looks likely, according to FreeBMD:

September qtr 1848
Southampton district Vol 7, page 199

And this looks likely from Family Search:
Birth 18th June 1848
Baptism 22nd October 1848 - St Mary's Southampton
Parents: William Reaves & Ann Maria Reaves

I may be wrong in my thinking, so Please feel free to put me right! ;-)

Census reference copyright, and in care of TNA

I think I'll try and explore what happened to William Reaves son of William and Ann Maria Reaves and see where that takes me. I wouldn't be surprised to see the spelling changed from Reaves to Reeves. Thanks to you and others for your assistance. I was looking at William Reeves in Ringwood because it isn't far from Poole and the Faulkners had a daughter Maria who I thought may have had an illegitimate son in William Reeves but I haven't found anything to tie them together so far.

[Bob Topley]

Harriet is marked in 1851 as "Daughter-in-law" but is also unmarried.
I think they used to use that term to also denote a step-daughter?

So, was Elizabeth married before? To a Mr. March?

She is also with William & Elizabeth in 1841, together with another 2 daughters, Sarah (1832) and Mary (1834).

William Reeves grandson problem solved. A very kind researcher has informed me William Reeves was the illegitimate son of Emma
Faulkner. She later married James Witt, further William Reeves died in 1853 of scarlet fever. I'm very grateful at the help I received.
Thank you.
Bob