Carter

[p. harrison]

I don`t think this is the right William Carter because according to the 1911 census he was born in Berkshire.However thankyou for your help.

[Coromandel]

You may be putting too much faith in the accuracy of census returns. People weren't always consistent from one census to another in where they say they were born . . . and some people genuinely didn't know where they were born, and might just say the first place they remember living (and since many people can't remember anything from before they're about 3 years old, this may not be the same as where they were born).

It would help if you could let us know the following:

• if the 1911 census entry identified by olliecat is the same as the one you think shows your William Carter
• what it says on William Carter's marriage certificate for his father's occupation.

[Coromandel]

Now I've had a chance to look at that 1911 census entry myself, I am sure it is the same family that olliecat has found in 1901. Even though the birthplaces don't match exactly, the names and ages all tie up (look at the names and ages of the three eldest children in 1911, and compare them with the children in 1901). Also, the 1881 census shows that Mary Jane Worgan was born in St Briavels (RG 11/5222, f.49; census Crown copyright, in care of TNA) and we know that the marriage took place there. I am convinced it is the right family, and I'm renowned for being sceptical!

[Hollytree]

There is a baptism of Mary Jane Worgan in St Briavels on 16 Feb 1873, d/o Richard and Sarah Jane:
Marriage: William Carter to Mary Jane Worgan 11 May 1895, grooms father Richard (waggoner), brides father Richard (labourer).

You can find this here: forest-of-dean.net put www in front. You might have to sign in.........

Anne

[Peter Goodey]

according to the 1911 census he was born in Berkshire

Where in Berkshire?!?!?

[Jellylegs]

Where in Berkshire?!?!?

"Farringdon" - which according to GENUKI spans the counties of Berkshire, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire and Wiltshire.

[Peter Goodey]

Thank you, Jellylegs.

[olliecat]

Marriage: William Carter to Mary Jane Worgan 11 May 1895, grooms father Richard (waggoner), brides father Richard (labourer).

Good find Hollytree.

Well, looking at the occupation of Richard Carter in 1881 ...

1881: RG11 Piece: 2551 Folio: 29 Page: 8 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)
At Binley Cottages, Kingscote, Gloucestershire
CARTER, Richard, head, 43, agricultural labourer carter, Watchfield Berkshire
CARTER, Hannah, wife, 45, Shrivenham Berkshire
CARTER, Thomas, son, 18, agricultural labourer under carter, Watchfield Berkshire
CARTER, George, son, 16, agricultural labourer 3rd carter, Farringdon Berkshire
CARTER, Richard, son, 11, Horsley Gloucestershire
CARTER, William, son, 8, Horsley Gloucestershire
CARTER, Hannah, dau, 5, Gloucestershire
CARTER, John, son, 2, Kingscote Gloucestershire

It more or less matches with the father's occupation on William's marriage but I don't want to push this line on you if you feel it is wrong. Please bear in mind that information given on census returns is sometimes incorrect. People are not very good at filling in forms and I have come across many instances where vague or incorrect information has been recorded. Also, if William's parents moved about a fair bit when he was small, he may have muddled up his birth place on the census form.

I searched for William Carter in the 1891 census. However, he is at that awkward age where he could be anywhere. I did come across a William Carter in St Briavels working as a farm servant. His birth place is recorded as unknown. This could be down to his employer being too lazy to find out where William was born in order to fill in the census form properly. Anyway, this places him in the right area to meet his future wife, but one can't be certain it is him. Here is the census reference.

1891: RG12 Piece: 4337 Folio: 150 Page: 12 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)

As Peter pointed out in post #7, there is a birth of a William Carter in 1874 in Faringdon. You could order the certificate, making sure you specify that the father's name must be Richard. That way you won't end up paying for an unwanted certificate if it doesn't match. I'd like to point out that there is also a death for a William Carter in 1875 in Faringdon, age 0.

If you post up all the details of William's marriage, perhaps we can take another look at him.

[p. harrison]

Again,many thanks for all your info.You do seem to have found the right family,despite some queries surrounding William`s birthplace.He did marry a Mary Jane Worgan in 1895 in the parish Briavels,Glos.The FOD website is an excellent source of extra info. that you have to pay for on other sites.As previously stated his father,Richard,was a Waggoner.

[steven.carter1]

Hi,

I've only just signed up and don't properly know how to use this post. Your conversation is about my direct ancestor - my grandfather's father and i've spoken to someone who knew him before he died in 1929 in english bicknor. i've been searching my carter ancestors for over a year and got back to abt 1680. i've written a brief biog of william carter etc.

do get in touch with me at steven DOT carter1 AT ntlworld DOT com if you are interested in further details - i'm interested in the basis of your interest and what your connection is