SAINSBURY of Shepton Mallet

[malcolm99]

...the only Jane Sainsbury who meets most of the criteria in Monmouthshire appears to be Jane Sainsbury, servant, age 15 born Bristol and living in Trevithin.

I think my assumption is an error and she was born in Bristol but I have come across this in the 1881 census (RG11/5252/8/10):
• Henry Edwards, Head, Married, 33, Labourer, born Abersychan Monmouthshire
• Jane [not Sarah] Edwards, Wife, Married, 27, Labourer wife, born Shepton Mallet Wiltshire (sic)
• Jane Ann Edwards, Daughter, 10 months, born Abersychan Monmouthshire

If that is the right family then that would make ‘Jane Ann’ the ‘Janet’ of the 1901 census (RG13 Piece: 4946; Folio: 12; Page: 15) which seems reasonable. (Talywain and Abersychan are next door to each other).

I’ve had several shots at linking Jane Edwards of 1901/1881 with a birth in Shepton Mallet but my attempts keep crumbling. There are a couple of good possibilities but I haven’t cracked the connection yet.

(Records in care of TNA, Crown copyright)

[Aussielover]

I think my assumption is an error and she was born in Bristol but I have come across this in the 1881 census (RG11/5252/8/10):
• Henry Edwards, Head, Married, 33, Labourer, born Abersychan Monmouthshire
• Jane [not Sarah] Edwards, Wife, Married, 27, Labourer wife, born Shepton Mallet Wiltshire (sic)
• Jane Ann Edwards, Daughter, 10 months, born Abersychan Monmouthshire

If that is the right family then that would make ‘Jane Ann’ the ‘Janet’ of the 1901 census (RG13 Piece: 4946; Folio: 12; Page: 15) which seems reasonable. (Talywain and Abersychan are next door to each other).

I’ve had several shots at linking Jane Edwards of 1901/1881 with a birth in Shepton Mallet but my attempts keep crumbling. There are a couple of good possibilities but I haven’t cracked the connection yet.

(Records in care of TNA, Crown copyright)

Hi Malcolm 99,
you definitely have the right family but as you can see can't seem to crack who her parents are. I'm going to be ordering her marriage certificate as from what I can see at least her father's name would be on that certificate. I really appreciate whatever help you can provide. It's difficult for me since I'm in the states. I hope next year I can make another trip to England I just love it over there. Again thank you for all your efforts in helping me with my research.

[Aussielover]

So I paid for and received the marriage certificate which is not the Jane and Henry I needed. I show on the 1881 census that Jane and Henry were married and the marriage certificate I received was for a Jane and Henry married in 1888 with their ages being 25 and 30, so waste of money there. It's like this woman had no birth record nor a marriage record. It's just frustrating trying to track her down when I've exhausted all my available means here in the states and with purchasing various websites/databases.

If anybody can shed any light on my Jane Sainsbury it would so much appreciated.

Desperate,
Eileen

[Lizzy9]

Yes Malcolm, I did see that census but it does not prove John was Jane's brother, does it? John is enumerated as single, but it's possible Jane's mother was married twice and Jane had a different birth surname.

I think Eileen should buy the birth certificate of one of Jane and Henry's children, if she hasn't already, otherwise it's guesswork!

Hi Eileen, I suggested you buy a birth certificate for one of Jane and Henry's children as Jane's maiden name will be entered.

If I'm following this story correctly you are assuming Jane's maiden name was Sainsbury, but was it? Ok so there's a John Sainsbury in 1901 entered as brother in law to Henry. He could be Henry's sister's husband or Jane's half brother eg different father.

[Lizzy9]

So I paid for and received the marriage certificate which is not the Jane and Henry I needed. I show on the 1881 census that Jane and Henry were married and the marriage certificate I received was for a Jane and Henry married in 1888 with their ages being 25 and 30, so waste of money there. It's like this woman had no birth record nor a marriage record. It's just frustrating trying to track her down when I've exhausted all my available means here in the states and with purchasing various websites/databases.

If anybody can shed any light on my Jane Sainsbury it would so much appreciated.

Desperate,
Eileen

After studying the census returns including 1911 where Jane is entered as age 50, there are inconsistencies with ages throughout. So are you certain the marriage certificate you purchased is the wrong one? I know Jane and Henry are enumerated in 1881 as married but many couples stated they were married when infact they weren't - so I wouldn't focus too much on this.

Can you post ALL the information on the marriage certificate, the couples address, their fathers' names and occupations, Henry's occupation and names of witnesses.

[Aussielover]

Hi Lizzy9,
The reason I know that her maiden name was Sainsbury was on my Grandfathers (George Alexander Edwards) marriage certificate where it lists his father as Henry Edwards and his mother with maiden name as Jane Sainsbury. As for the marriage certificate I purchased it shows the marriage date of September 10th 1888 the marriage being soleminzed at St. Peter's Church in the parish of Goytre in the count of Monmouth. Henry Edwards was noted as 30, profession as engine driver, residence at the time of marriage as Abersychan, father's name as Samuel Edwards with a profession of contractor. Then Jane is listed as Jane Sainsbury age 25, spinster, no profession, living in Abersychan, father's name as John Sainsbury a Collier. The witnesses were an Anne Pape and a Jane Morris. So that's all I have and also how I know for sure that her maiden name was Sainsbury. The certificate also shows they were Married in the Parish Church of Goytre.

So that's what I've got. If anybody can help in any way I would be so ever grateful.

Best Regards,
Eileen

[Lizzy9]

1851, Trevethin, Pontypool, HO107; Piece: 2449; Folio: 382; Page: 3 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

Samuel Edward 37, Stone Mason, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Edward 37, Monmouth
Ann Edward 15, Trevethin
Elizabeth Edward 13, Trevethin
Samuell Edward 7, Monmouth
Henry Edward 5, Trevethin
Susana Edward 2, Trevethin

I'm inclined to think the marriage certificate is probably correct. Their address was Abersychan (is there a street name on the cert?), Henry and Jane were living in Abersychan in 1901. Coincidence? maybe! However if the certificate is for another couple I cannot find them on census returns. Also it's the only marriage between a Jane Sainsbury and Henry Edwards within a reasonable timeframe. Other coincidences are - Jane and Henry's son John S Edwards born 1882 (1901 census) is John Samuel Edwards, and Caroline (6), is Caroline Elizabeth Edwards, Samuel and Elizabeth named after Henry's parents?

Births Sep 1882
John Samuel Edwards Pontypool 11a/114.

Births Sep 1894
Caroline Elizabeth Edwards, Pontypool, 11a/135

[Lizzy9]

I have not been successful in finding a birth for Jane Sainsbury in Somerset. Either she's badly mistranscribed, unregistered, not registered in Somerset or was not born Sainsbury but changed her name for some reason.

[Aussielover]

Hi Everyone,
I have obtained the birth certificate of my grandfather and it does show that Jane's surname was Sainsbury. I've searched the LDS site and I've searched the BMD website to no avail. On the marriage certificate for Jane and Henry it does provide me with Jane's fathers name being Johnathan Sainsbury who's occupation was colliery. Anything additional that anybody can provide would be greatly appreciated. This is the only missing link I have left to fill on my ancestry.

Thanks again to all of you that have been so helpful to me throughout my multiple researchs.

Best Regards,
Eileen