looking for info on joseph rolph of peckham

[ruala]

hello i am looking for any informatiojn on joseph rolph who lived at franic place nunhead with his wife sarah and children henry richardson from sarahs first marriage,jos.h and geo.w. arth.j rolph they also live in camberwell, peckham rye from 1871 till 1881 as it may be that joseph died in 1879/1881. joseph may have worked as a letter carrier and a taylor MORE INFO NEEDED ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. no trace can be found after that
MANY THANKS

[Waitabit]

In 1881 Sarah is listed as a Widow.
These would appear to be some of your people :

Marriages Sep 1886
Rolph.. Arthur John ---Birmingham 6d 197
PITT.. Clara ----- Birmingham 6d 197

1891
Arthur Rolph c.1867
Surrey, London, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
St Mattias Warwickshire
Arthur Rolph c.1867 Surrey
Clara Rolph c 1866 Birmingham Warwick.
Alfred Rolph 1yr "
RG12; Piece: 2392; Folio 53; Page 27 (Crown copywrite TNA)
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1901
RG13; Piece: 2843; Folio: 57; Page: 3.(Crown copywrite TNA)
with 7 children ..Frankfort St.? All born Birmingham
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1891 at Camberwell
Sarah Ralph b.1830 Walworth Widow, Laundress
George W Ralph b.18871 Nunhead a Cheesemongers Ass't.
RG12; Piece: 478; Folio 108; Page 15 (Crown copywrite TNA)
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>Marriage from london marriages & Banns 1754-1921<

George William Rolph abt 1871 a cheesemongers ass't
22 Aug 1897 Frances Mary Jane Richards 26 atPeckham St Mary Magdalene
Father Joseph a tailor dec'd.

1901
George W Rolph
Spouse: Francis M J Rolph
Birth: abt 1871 - Peckham, Surrey, England
Residence: 1901 - Camberwell, London, England
George W Rolph b.1871 Peckham,Surrey
Francis M J Rolph b.1871 St.Luke
Ethel M Rolph 2 b. Camberwell
Elsie S Rolph 1 b Dulwich
Charlotte A Richards 31 wifes Sister

RG13; Piece: 498; Folio: 33; Page: 7 (Crown copywrite TNA)
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Marriages Mar 1883
ROLPH Charles Nottingham 7b 454
HUTCHINSON Rebecca Nottingham 7b 454
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1891
Charles Rolph b.Peckham,1865 London, England
Rebecca Rolph b.1864 Nottingham
Sarah A Rolph 1/12 . 1891 Nottingham.
Civil Parish: Snenton St Matthias
Nottinghamshire
RG12; Piece: 2705; Folio 122; Page 49; (Crown copywrite TNA)
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Deaths Jun 1892
Rolph Sarah 62 Camberwell 1d 500 ??

[Waitabit]

A little more:
Aug.6th 1860 St.Giles Parish Church CAmberwell.
Joseph Rolph full age bach'r- Tailor & Sarah Richardson.
Both of Peckham Rye.
Father Joseph Rolph lab'r
Father of bride John shoemaker.Farmer
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Previously,:
Oct.12 1846 Henry Richardson full age married Sarah Farmer a minor, at St.Mary Magdalen, Peckham
Fathers James Richardson & John Farmer. Witnesses Samuel Tompsett & Elizabeth Minter.
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1871 Joseph is 34 ? b.1837ish..1879 if him,he dies age 42 ..leaving Sarah a widow for 1881. Difficult to choose a Joseph in 1841/51 or 1861 census. Places of birth or age not helping.

1851
Henry Richardson 32
Sarah Richardson 22
Sarah Richardson 3
Henry Richardson 1
image 39
H.O.107/1581

[ruala]

hi thanks to the wonderful peole on this site i have found not only my grandmother but also others. for my g.g.grandparents i have today recieved a certificate stating place of death is 5 nunhead collage the year for this is 1879 can anyone tell me if this is a hospital or a church as i keep coming up with churched on the web / er and to be very cheeky has anyone access to births ie page and vol number looking for sarah farmer who died in 1892 aged 62 so be born 1832 ish fathers name john mom s name mary i think .born in welworth/ joseph rolph died in 1879 at the age of 46 in nunhead born er well you would think it be 1833ish but as it states on the census that sarah was ten years older then him. on the census in 1871 his age is 34 so he would be 42ish on censu and certificate smae full name address and job. his father s name was joseph also and he was born in heartfordshire. help wanted pls

[Kerrywood]

i have today recieved a certificate stating place of death is 5 nunhead collage the year for this is 1879 can anyone tell me if this is a hospital or a church as i keep coming up with churched on the web

Could it be 5 Nunhead Cottages? This would be in Peckham.

[Waitabit]

and to be very cheeky has anyone access to births ie page and vol number looking for sarah farmer who died in 1892 aged 62 so be born 1832 ish fathers name john mom s name mary i think .born in welworth/ ...

From the marriage lines Sarahs Father was John..a shoemaker.
Baptised on July 14th ,1837 was Jane Farmer, b.Mar 11th 1827 to John Farmer a shoemaker & Jane Abbott at St.Peters Walworth.
Baptised on the same day was Sarah Farmer b.May 30th to John Farmer Shoemaker & Jane Abbott at St.Peters Walworth Southwark

I haven't been able to follow these people to 1841 with certainty as time is short for me just now. Perhaps they are the correct Family, I hope so for you. If not maybe someone else can find them.

Has it been established who was the Mother of Joseph Rolph? One such likely candidate is with Joseph Rolph aged 9 in 1841 b. Middlesex- living in the parish of Hadley (Barnet)? Mother Martha 40,..Siblings: Eizabeth 15.. Robert 16..Ann 13...Mary 11...& William 7.

1851 Still together Martha a widow..shoe binder..
HO107; Piece: 1701; Folio: 194; Page: 49; (Crown copywrite TNA)

1861 Martha & Mary Ann
RG9; Piece: 788; Folio: 12; Page: 16 (Crown copywrite TNA)

Again perhaps this is not the correct Family. There were deaths for a Joseph Rolph in berkhampstead in 1851 & earlier. 20+ miles from Barnet.

[Kerrywood]

Baptised on the same day was Sarah Farmer b.May 30th to John Farmer Shoemaker & Jane Abbott at St.Peters Walworth Southwark

Taking this a bit further, Sarah's birth is recorded in the register as 30 May 1829, so Waitabit's find looks encouraging. The family lived in Monmouth Place.

Here's a possible 1841 census for Sarah ...

HO107/1051 book 9 folio 15 page 22
Nunhead Green, Peckham, St Giles Camberwell
William Bennett 25 Farmer N (not born in county)
Abigail Bennett 25 N
George Bennett 55 Labourer N
George Bennett 1 Y
William Johnson 20 Male S(ervant) N
Sarah Farmer 12 F(emale) S(ervant) Y

Here's a possible 1841 for Sarah FARMER's family, not far away in Newington. Unfortunately no occupation is stated for John, but for what it's worth there's a Bootmaker living next door ...

1841 census
HO107/1064 book 4 folio 8 page 8
Trafalgar Place, St Mary Newington
John Farmer 50 N
Jane Farmer 35 N
Jane Farmer 14 N
Mary Farmer 9 N
Elizabeth Farmer 6 N
Hannah Farmer 3 Y

To support this being the same family, there's a baptism at St Mary Newington on 29 Jun 1838 for Hannah, born 15 May 1838, to John and Jane Abbott PALMER of 9 Monmouth Place, Shoe Maker. This seems likely to be the same family. Perhaps the surname PALMER is an error for FARMER (similar sound?).

(Census records held by TNA, Crown copyright)

[ruala]

hi well a lot more on sarah many thanks but joseph well when he married sarah farmer in 1860 at st giles camberwell it appears to stae that both of their fathers were alive well they are not put as deceased on the marriage certificate. and all i have to go on is the census from 1871 sayin he was 34yrs old and born in barnet with dads name joseph it stats that his father was a labourer. i m desperate to figure out where this man came from his son is my ggrandfather and would like to put this to rest // lots of heart filled thanks for you guys finding my grandmother as i now know where she is buried and am waiting to hear off any kin that may still be alive as i would love to know what she looked like
x

[Waitabit]

Ruala, don't believe absolutely in the stated 'Deceased' or not on certificates. It's very often wrong. My most recent states Father deceased when he was not. There are times when a Family has drifted apart & the children don't really know one way or the other.
Then there is always the Family 'rift' when the Parent is 'dead' to the child, tho' not in reality. Sometimes perhaps the clergy person doesn't ask or hear the reply....many errors in names also occur on certificates particularly when the Parent died in the Groom or Brides early childhood.

Keep believing Lass, You'll rest them yet.

[ruala]

looking for a death of joseph henry rolph born to sarah and joseph rolph peckham 1863/1865 / most keen to know if he got married to who and when as i have lost sight of him in 1881 cen records