Manners Colliery Ilkeston

[eshersmith]

Any information on Manners Colliery colliery please.
Granddad was a "butty" there but I know nothing about it

Thanks

[Jan1954]

Hello esh - welcome to Brit-Gen,

Have you had a read of the Ilkeston and District Local History Society webpage about the mining industry in the area? The Manners Colliery is mentioned therein:

http://www.
ilkestonhistory.org.uk/Brief%20History%20of%20The%20Coal%20Industry.htm

[notanotherminer]

If your grandfather was a "Butty" he was a subcontractor. The Butty system was a system whereby the underground workers would be employed not by the mine owner but a sub contractor known as the Butty.

The system was in place in the 2nd half of the 19th C and continued up to the beginning of the First World War although in sone areas it operated for a bit longer.

I'm afraid your ancestor might not have been too popular with the underground workers as one of the complaints about the system was that the Butty often paid wages totally inconsistent with the money he was receiving from the mine owners

[Mitch in Notts]

Manners Colliery was located where the Manners Industrial Estate in Ilson is now - at the top of Manners & Manor Roads.
If you would like a scan of the colliery area from a large scale 1937 map PM me.

Mitch

[eshersmith]

Thank for your replies. I did know what a butty was and their reputation. Granddad employed most of his relatives but he was still very unpopular because he was reputed to rob them all !

I have seen the site http://www.
ilkestonhistory.org.uk/Brief%20History%20of%20The%20Coal%20Industry.htm and I was hoping for some personal information but I appreciate that it closed a long while ago . My cousins wife who is 90 worked for Granddad at Manners but he is very deaf now and sometimes I wish I could turn back the clock. I would have asked a lot more questions than I did do about family affairs, My dad also worked for Granddad but he did not say a word against him.

[eshersmith]

Thanks Mitch I would like that if you could but I am new to this site so how do I PM you

[Mitch in Notts]

Just click on my name (in blue) on this post - a box will come up - just click `private message` in that box.

[eshersmith]

Cheers Mitch

I have done that

[Mitch in Notts]

Have emailed you.

Mitch

[Peter Goodey]

See D H Lawrence eg Sons and Lovers for a good description of the butty system and of pay day.