1st Dragoon Guards

[steven belfast]

Hi all

i am trying to find out details about Edward Clulow 1st Dragoon Guards he is on the anglo boer website, any help would be much appreicated


Clulow Edward 4458 Private QSA (4). Awarded 10 years Penal Servitude. Regt. No. 4455 on E.C. Roll.
Source: QSA medal rolls

[Geoffers]

I believe that the QSA medal rolls are available on the pay-per-view site 'ancestry' - if that is the source for the information concerning penal servitude, it might be a first place to look.

This TNA research guide deals with Court Martial although access from your location will be difficult.

Do you have any knowledge of what happened to your chap or date the penalty was imposed?

[SueNSW]

It looks as though his 10 years penal servitude didn't stop his continuing service - there is WW1 medal index card for Edward Clulow - Pte 4455 who served with both 5th and 1st Dragoon Guards - and then with the Corps of Dragoons as D/19464

He "died" per Soldiers Died in the Great War and is here on CWGC

Name: CLULOW, EDWARD
Initials: E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: 5th Dragoon Guards (Princess Charlotte of Wales's)
Unit Text: "C" Sqdn.
Age: 36
Date of Death: 27/03/1918
Service No: D/19464
Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. James Evitt Clulow, of Belfast; husband of Sarah Jane Clulow, of 52, Clementine St., Belfast. Served in the South African Campaign. A Reservist.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: P. VII. F. 7A.
Cemetery: ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN

The Commonwealth War Graves Register states he died of wounds

He went to France on 16 September 1914 - entitling him to the 1914 Star award

Unfortunately no service records appear to have survived

Cheers
Sue

[SueNSW]

Due to your location you might want to try to contact Kevin Asplin - a military researcher who has done a lot of work on the Boer War to see if he can help

www.
britishmedals.us/index.html

Cheers
Sue

[steven belfast]

Sue

Many thanks for the reply, as a green horn at this i was thinking the same thing, if he was CM he would have been disqualified from future service?

It dosent look like his recrods survived, as i found his brother Thomas (my GGF) last week due to the free access on ancestry, on it was quite a lot, but thank you for taking the time to look and replying

[steven belfast]

Not as yet geoffers no dates or what t was for but the hunt continues, thank you for the reply and advice

[Geoffers]

Many thanks for the reply, as a green horn at this i was thinking the same thing, if he was CM he would have been disqualified from future service?

Not necessarily, one of my gt-gt-grandfathers was court-martialled twice in the RN, the second time he was dismissed the service - only to be later allowed to rejoin to see out time for pension (admittedly he didn't get sent down for 10 years). The CWGC site notes your chap as a reservist - presumably he was conscripted in WW1?

[SueNSW]

A reservist wouldn't have been 'conscripted' Geoffers - they accepted at the end of the selected period of "full time" regular service that they could be recalled for service under certain circumstances and effectively had an obligation to serve again if called upon. They were paid a 'retainer' for this - I think I have the amounts somewhere

Reservists were mobilised very quickly at the start of the war - as Edward Clulow's date of entry to theatre shows - 16th September 1914 - 1st Dragoon Guards were in India at the outbreak of war - so he couldn't join them but as the 5th were at Aldershot - he would presumably have had to get there

Cheers
Sue

[Geoffers]

A reservist wouldn't have been 'conscripted' Geoffers - they accepted at the end of the selected period of "full time" regular service that they could be recalled for service under certain circumstances and effectively had an obligation to serve again if called upon. They were paid a 'retainer' for this - I think I have the amounts somewhere

Yes, of course - no idea why I typed 'conscripted'.

Steven - do you know if the Belfast Telegraph or some other local newspaper may have reported the incident which led to his penal servitude?

I know that The Navy List records courts martial at the rear (although limtied to Warrant/Commissioned ranks); I don't know if the Army List has something similar - but it may be worth looking at a copy (some pay-per-view sites have some copies of the Army List).

If your chap's service record has not survived, the only things I can suggest to find details of the conviction is either a trip to Kew, or employing someone to check for you - or try the regimental museum

[Geoffers]

Further to my last, there is an online database relating to the 1st Dragoon Guards.

Starting at

www.
qdg.org.uk/pages/Museum-Information-69.php

There is a link through to

www.
cardiffcastlemuseum.org.uk/

Click on the 'Genealogy' link near the top

and then the link to 'Search Online Database'

There is an entry for your chap.

The bad news is that it will cost you £30 to find out what they hold. Perhaps it may be worth a 'phone call to ask if their records would be likely to include details of the offence (or what sort of detail is included in their records) and so make the expenditure worthwhile.