thanks Janet, anything is possible. While I wait for certificates etc, I thought I would try to decipher the will of William Dutton, the above Thomas'father. and also trace the sisters. And I am stumped as to a marriage for a sister, Elizabeth Dutton born July 13 1775 baptised 4 Aug 175 at St Dunstan in the West. Now she died on 25 May 1787 according to other researchers, I havent found the death yet, but they have her listed as marrying someone Wigley, first name unknown obviously. I cant seem to find it. Going through the will there is mention of a grandson William Wigley which coincides with that information but I must be blind I cannot see it. Maybe they didnt marry ????
Any help from u supersleuths would be good. Also another daughter Dorothy was christened Dorothy but then in all other documents she is listed as Dorothea??? would that be a normal thing for them to do?? and I have check the documents for spelling and its definately Dorothy first and then Dorothea later. Maybe there are two different ones but I couldnt find a birth for a Dorothea to William and Ann Dutton. This Dorothea isnt to be confused with the other Dorothea who married John Doyle. Confused, good so am I Lol.
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22-11-2010 4:15 AM #61Loves to help with queries.
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another question, I am looking at the buriel for William Dutton burial 23 Jan 1794 at St Dunstans in the West, it says where buried - under the organ loft??? what the Lol
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London parish registers show an Elizabeth DUTTON born 13 July 1755, baptised 4 Aug at St Dunstan in the West, from Fleet Street.
FamilySearch Record Search Pilot shows a marriage on 14 Dec 1776 at St Anne Soho, Westminster, of a Charles WIGLEY and Elizabeth DUTTON.
London parish registers show William WIGLEY baptised 3 March 1780, born 9 Feb 1780, son of Charles WIGLEY and Elizabeth. He was from the parish of St John Zachary in the City of London (whose registers are combined with St Anne & St Agnes).
You won't find a formal death record as such at this date. An Elizabeth DUTTON was buried at St Dunstan in the West on 25 May 1787. London parish registers show this burial and there is no age stated, so she could be a child or adult; she was buried from Chichester Rents. She is presumably not the Elizabeth who married Charles WIGLEY in 1776.
There is no consistency in spelling at this date. Dorothy/Dorothea are standard variants. These may well be the same person, if everything else tallies. But, depending on the dates, you might also want to consider whether they had two daughters called Dorothy/Dorothea and the first one died.
It wouldn't be all that unusual for a noted local personality to be given the honour of a burial inside a City church. Does his will refer to his preferred place of burial?
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thanks for all that Kerrywood, I saw that Elizabeth and didnt think it connected, she wasnt alive when her father died as all the other sisters are in the will but not her then it has the grandson William Wigley, not sure about the will saying anything about a buriel plae still trying to decipher it, its 5 pages long, he was a big waffler I think Lol. Might have to visit the Wills section see if there is a expert will decipherer around!
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The National Archives provides some useful help with reading old handwriting. Try these pages.
If you get stuck, you can post any hard-to-read extracts on the Wills forum, where our members will give you a hand in deciphering them.
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Further to the baptism for William WIGLEY that Kerrywood found for you, there appear to be one more baptism to Charles & Elizabeth:
Born 26 September, baptised 20th October 1777 at St John Zachary Harriot WIGLEY daughter of Charles & Elizabeth
Let us know if you need any help with your will transcription - I'm sure we will be able to help.
JanetImpatience can be a virtue - honestly!
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so I finally got hold of the death certificates, Sarah Dutton is the correct one, Thomas Dutton one I am not sure, it tells me nothing really, his occupation is Gentleman ? so I don't know. Kinda disappointed!
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A lovely man went and took photos of Dorothea Doyle (Dutton) headstone for me, so wrapped that there are such kind people out there.
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