GUY family, Chesterfield

[Gensleuth]

Thomas and Ann Maria Guy moved from Madeley in Shropshire to Chesterfield after 1907 and before the 1911 census.
The children were:
William b c1888 Shropshire, Beatrice b 1889 Shropshire, Thomas b c1892 Shropshire, Emma b c1894 Shropshire, John b c1895 Shropshire, James b c1896 Shropshire, Sarah Ann b c1899 Shropshire , Joseph Richard b c1901 Shropshire, Elizabeth b c1904 Shropshire, Albert b c1907 Shropshire and Annie Maria b c1911 in Holmewood, Chesterfield.
Beatrice Guy b 1889 in Madeley Shropshire was my paternal grandmother and I have traced her line back. I am now seeking any descendants of her siblings who originate in the Chesterfield area

[Waitabit]

Where have you looked for descendants so far Gensleuth?, just to prevent people doubling over your tracks.

[MarkJ]

Bearing in mind the AUP regarding living persons, if anyone can assist with such details, then please use the PM system to respond.

Thanks

[Neil Wilson]

You could try the local newspaper, The Derbyshire Times (google will find the link) and use their letters page.

Good luck coming forward.

[Gensleuth]

I have only recently discovered the fact that the family moved to Chesterfield, by looking at the 1911 census.
I had looked all over Shropshire and surrounding counties [like you do] and even the Manchester area where my grandmother Beatrice married my grandfather in 1908.
I have so far only tried the indexes of B,M and D's. Quite a number with the surname Guy in the area.There are a couple of possible matches at GR, but I am not currently subscribed. So I want to be positive before I pursue any further.
This thread is one of the early actions I am taking.

Thanks for your responses.

[Jack Richards]

Hi Gensleuth
The 1911 census that you quote states the family were living at Hardwick Street, Holmewood which is probably about 4 miles from Chesterfield. You will note the head of the household and a couple of his sons are employed at the pit - my guess would be it would be Holmewood pit, but Glapwell pit was only a couple of miles east, not sure if Bonds Main pit was open then but that was very close to Holmewood. Holmewood was a "pit" village (my words).

Have you tried the local telephone directories?

Have you trawled the GRO indexes for possible marriages and deaths of your ancestors who are mentioned on the 1911 census? The Head of the household (from memory) was about 46 years. working in a pit, maybe he would die locally.

Be careful when searching around this area, sometimes villages to the east of Holmewood etc. may appear as Nottinghamshire and not Derbyshire.

I'm sure that as you research, if you keep us informed, we may be able to offer more help and suggestions, especially those of us who have knowledge of the area in yesteryear.

Regards

Jack

[Jack Richards]

Hi Gensleuth
Me again. Although I do not have access (in my hand), I can tell you there are about 32 families in the Mansfield tel. directory
(01623) with the name GUY. I have not enquired about the Chesterfield tel. directory.

I mentioned Glapwell in my last posting. There is/was a family named Guy living at Glapwell, he would be born circa 1945. I do not wish to mention more, not in a p.m. he may be not be connected to your research.

Hope this helps.

Regards

[Waitabit]

There are a couple of possible matches at GR, but I am not currently subscribed. So I want to be positive before I pursue any further..

I'd be happy to contact a few of these people for you if you wish! 3 stand out.

[Jack Richards]

Hi Gensleuth

After 28+ years of reasonably serious research, I am "stumped" at GR! If I get a few minutes, I will have a look through the GRO indexes to see if I can suggest possibles for you.

I note you live in Milton Keynes, have you considered a trip up the M1 and a short journey cross country to Derbys. County Record Office at Matlock. I am 99% certain they will have the Electoral Rolls which will be in books, so you will most likely not require "readers" - these Rolls will take you from 1907 (earlier if required) to 1914, then the WW1, then from say 1919 to "whenever".
You can "whizz" through these books, though ordering at the counter may require "negotiation". At least, you will be able to follow them, over the age limit, from whenever you first pick them up. You know they are there in 1911. The women, will not appear until around say 1920ish - someone will respond with the year women were given the vote.

Also, I'm sure you know that the M1 junction 29 is the Chesterfield turn off with the short 4 miles dual carriageway to Chesterfield, passing Holmewood on your left - the big old "pit tip" has now disappeared!

In your earlier research into this GUY family, prior to 1911, did the Head of household have any brothers who may have come to the area? Around the years 1890ish to the late 1920s, miners from many areas, especially Staffs. came to the area to work in the pits Glapwell, Bolsover. Grassmoor, Holmewood etc.

One of our friends on these forums may well reply, he is very knowledgeable about next door "village" of Clay Cross.

Hope this helps, but please do update us, with what you know about these GUY ancestors.

Regards

[Gensleuth]

Searching the FreeBMD inexes it is possible that Thomas Snr. Died in 1942 in Chesterfield Dist.
There are possible Chesterfield district marriages and births and deaths for :
William Guy to Doris H Hallam in 1922, a child for this marriage William A in 1923
My William would be age about 35 at this time.

Thomas Guy in 1913 to Eleanor Bingham, at least 8 children for this marriage
Chesterfield 1913 / Beatrice
Chesterfield 1918 / Thomas
Chesterfield 1920 / Jessie
Chesterfield 1922 / Arthur
Chesterfield 1924 / Ronald
Chesterfield 1927 /Jean
Chesterfield 1929 / Kenneth
Chesterfield 1933 / Doris
My Thomas would be age 21
[There are strong possibilities for some of these children at GR]

Emma Guy in 1924 to George Arnold, and at least 3 children
Chesterfield 1924 /Geoffrey A Arnold
Chesterfield 1924 / John W Arnold
Chesterfield 1928 /Joyce M Arnold
My Emma would be age 30

John Guy in 1924 to Gladys Hurt, 1 child
Chesterfield 1926 / Freda B
My John would be age 29

Sarah Ann Guy in 1925 to Samuel Powell, no children found so far

Possible death for Joseph Richard in 1926

Albert Guy married Abigail GLOVER in 1928
Children:
Chesterfield 1929 / John T
Chesterfield 1933 /Joan
My Albert would be age 21

It doesn’t look like any of Thomas Snr.s siblings migrated to Derbyshire I have found his brothers in Staffordshire and Shropshire.

I don’t have a car so travel is limited [to a bus pass].

All your efforts and helpful suggestions are very much appreciated.


All speculation and possibilities at the moment and some of the ages at marriage leave some doubts. The search continues