Cordelia

[margreen]

Joseph Phillips born 1833 was married to Cordelia born 1838 in Callington, Cornwall. I can find no mention of their marriage so cannot find her pre marriage surname, and therefore cannot trace her birth in Callington. How do I go about finding this please? They are mentioned on the 1901 Census and had a daughter Selina born 1884. Selina went to Australia 1912 and her family there are now trying to trace further back in her family line. I live in Cornwall and want to help. Margreen.

[lesleys]

Free BMD has Joseph Phillips and Cordelia Maria Seymour on same page
Dec 1870 Liskeard 5c 106
If you get Birth cert for Selina and her mother's maiden name is Seymour this could be the marriage

there is a Selina Phillips registered Jun 1881 St Austell ref 5c 165

[lesleys]

and from Callington Heritage site:
St. Mellion Baptisms Cordelia Maria SEYMOUR 01-Jan 1845 "Thomas & Maria of Thrustles Nest, Miner" a bit later than the date you quoted so Selina's birth has to be the place to start.

[peter nicholl]

In 1871 Cordelia M Phillips & Co. were at North Street, Tywardreath. She was 26 born Callington. There does not appear to a GRO registration for a Cordelia Seymour prior to 1848, when a Cordila Seymour was registered in St Germans, which covers Callington. All adds to the confusion ;-)

[lesleys]

RG12; Piece: 1814; Folio 84; Page 7; (copyright TNA)
The family are at St Winnow, Lostwithiel:
North Street Frosts Court,1
Joseph Phillips, Head,M, 49, Railway Labourer Plate,Employed,Lostwithiel Cornwall,,
Cordelia Maria Phillips, Wife,M, 46, St Mellion Cornwall,,
Frederick James Phillips,Son,S,16, Farm Servant,Employed,Lostwithiel Cornwall,,
Thomas Seymour Phillips,Son,S,12,Scholar,,St Winnow Cornwall,,
Bessie Phillips,Dau,S,13,Mother's Help,St Winnow Cornwall,,
Cordelia Phillips,Dau,S,10,Scholar,St Winnow Cornwall,,
Mary Ellen Phillips,Dau,S,8,Scholar,St Winnow Cornwall,,
Selina Jane Hodge Phillips,Dau,S,7,Scholar,,St Winnow Cornwall,,
Elizabeth Phillips,Dau,S,5,Scholar,St Winnow Cornwall

[peter nicholl]

In 1851 there are 2 Cordelia Seymours #1 is 2yrs old, born Rame and living with her Mum (Dad's a sailor) at Back Lane, Maker.
#2 is 6 yrs old, born St Mellion and living with parents Thomas, a Miner, and Maria at Well Lane, Cannington.

Peter

[lesleys]

Forget that first birth reference - there must have been another Selina b 1881 the one you want is:
Selina Jane H Phillips Reg Mar 1884 Bodmin 5c,69

The St Mellion one is the one we are looking at Peter - the above 1891 census and her baptism have her as Cordelia Maria

[lesleys]

It looks like Cordelia had a brother William and her mother died in 1853:

Callington Baptisms William SEYMOUR 19-Aug 1851 "Callington, Thomas & Maria, "
Callington Burial William SEYMOUR 03-Feb 1852 6 ", "
Callington Burial Maria Truman SEYMOUR 03-Apr 1853 34
(from Calington Heritage site)

[lesleys]

given that in 1891 Joseph is 49, his birth date (1841-2) also seems to be later than originally quoted.
The most likely baptism (from Cornwall opc site) is:
5 Sep 1841 at Lostwithiel to Joseph and Mary of Rose-Hill.
There is a marriage at nearby Lanlivery 2 Mar 1841 of Joseph Phillips to Mary Jewell. his father is Peter , her father Thomas
Joseph son of Peter and Ann was bapt 12 Sept 1813
And a burial 21 Nov 1893 at Lostwithiel of Joseph age 80 of Bodmin Hill, .

[lesleys]

Mary Phillips buried Lostwithiel 1 Sep 1900 age 86 of Silverlake, Lanlivery

Going back to the Seymours:
in 1841 HO107; Piece 133; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Callington; County: Cornwall; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 9; Page: 11; Line: 1;
Thomas (25)& Maria (22) are at Love Lane Callington with 16 month Thomas
see above for 1851
in 1861 RG9; Piece: 1528; Folio: 86; Page: 43
Thomas has remarried and is Railway Terrace, St Cleer:
Thomas 45, Kea, Miner
Elizabeth 44, Kea
John S. 18 callington
Cordelia M 16
Eizabeth A 11
James H 6

The most likely marriage is 10 Sept 1863 at Chacewater to Elizabeth Harvey Hick , both Full age Thomas claims to be a bachelor. his father Thomas, her father MARY Williams, witnesses Henry Williams Hick and William Henry Hick.

in 1871:
RG10; Piece: 2237; Folio: 48; Page: 44
at St Cleer
Thomas 55 Chacewater
Elizabeth 54 Chacewater
James H 16 Callington
Elizabeth