Broomhead/ Grant/ Knight/ Wheeldon/ Earl

[ssnearl]

Hi everyone!
I have been researching the legitimate family of my gr-gr-grandmother Judith GRANT (nee BROOMHEAD) and could now do with some help. Judith was born in Hartington (bap. 8/7/1834), and had her daughter, Maria Broomhead, there on 18/7/1855, whose father was supposedly James WHEEDON/ WHEELDON. There was both a James Wheeldon and a John Wheelden in the Hartington area at the time, but the connection can't be proven - his name was not on her birth certificate, just her marriage certificate, and so may not be true. Maria married William EARL and came to Australia, and they have been well researched, as have the Broomheads. It is Judith's second family that I need help with.

Judith married John GRANT (b.c 1833, Bakewell; father: Gyte Grant?) in Manchester Cathedral on 11/11/1861. John was a coach driver/ groom. They lived in Salford and Manchester for nearly 20 years, and had 3 living children, Dora (b. 29/9/1864), Charles Henry (b.13/5/1869) and Walter (b.c 1874). They then moved to the Buxton area. Judith died in 1888 at Chapel-en-le-Frith and John died possibly 1909 at Chapel-en-le-Frith.

Dora Grant married George KNIGHT c1882? (can't find their marriage) and had at least 6 children: Gertrude (b.c1881 Ch-en-le-Fr., d c1886?), Thomas (b.c1882, Buxton), Anna/ Hannah Marie (b.c1884, Ch-en-le-Fr.; domestic servant, 1901), John/ Jack (b.c1886, Buxton; newsagent errand boy, 1901), Lilly (b.c1889, Buxton), George William (b.c1890, Buxton). These extra 4 may not have been theirs: Walter (b.c1891, Ch-en-le-Fr.), Mary Ann (b.c1893, Ch-en-le-Fr.), William (b.c1894, Ch-en-le-Fr.) and Emma (b.c1895, Ch-en-le-Fr.)

I do not know much more about this family. The father George, had been born c1865 at Buxton, and he was a general labourer. In 1891 the family was living with Dora's father, John, by this time a widower, and her 2 brothers, at 87 Spring Gardens, Barson's Yard, Buxton/ Fairfield. In 1901, the family plus her father were living at 26 Radcliffe Cottage, Fairfield Road with only Anna, Jack, Lily and George (jnr). I have not yet had access to the 1911 Census, so haven't looked any further.

Charles Henry Grant was a mason's labourer in 1891, and may have been married in Chorlton in 1896. By the 1901 Census a Charles H. and Mary M. Grant were living at 18 Wilson Street, Warrington, with a son William C. If this is "my" Charles Henry, he was then working as a mechanic/ engine fitter.

Walter Grant was a farm labourer in 1891. I have no other information about him.

If anyone has any further information about them, or is related, I would very much appreciate hearing from you. I am more than happy to share information.
THANKS!
Susan

[pennydog]

Here are Dora and George on the 1911 census RG14PN21303 RG78PN1267 RD442 SD1 ED15 SN210 (crown copyright/care of TNA)

Address 83 Watford Bridge, New Mills, Derbyshire
George Knight age 48 Labour public works b Buxton
Dora Knight age 48 domestic b Buxton
On the original they have written married, but have not filled in the number of years. Also blank are the boxes detailing births/deaths of any children.
They are living with the Bennet family (George and Elsie Ellen, both age 41, married 17 years) and their 4 children, in 5 rooms.

[pennydog]

Hi everyone!
Charles Henry Grant was a mason's labourer in 1891, and may have been married in Chorlton in 1896. By the 1901 Census a Charles H. and Mary M. Grant were living at 18 Wilson Street, Warrington, with a son William C. If this is "my" Charles Henry, he was then working as a mechanic/ engine fitter.
Susan

There is only one Charles Henry the 1911 census in Chorlton at 35 Freme Street, Chorlton on Medlock ref: RG14PN23843 RG78PN1379 RD464 SD3 ED15 SN241 (crown copyright car of TNA).

He has been married to Martha for 17 years, is age 41 (b 1870) and a nightwatchman - born Hull Yorkshire with 5 daughters, - so probably not your man (no son Charles - they had 5 children only)

[pennydog]

No luck with Walter after 1891, nothing on 1901 census or 1911. Could not locate a death 1891 -1901 either. Sorry not much help.

[janbooth]

There is a marriage registration on the GRO in the March qtr 1884 at Chapel en le Frith reg district, vol 7b, page 951 of a Dora GRANT and the other name on the page is that of George William KNIGHT, so it looks as though the first 2 children at least were born before they were married.

There is a John Dennis KNIGHT in the 1911 census of Stockport, Cheshire, shown as a single 25 yr old Labourer born Buxton, boarding at 14 Birch Avenue, Romiley in the household of a Michael FOY.

Janet

[ssnearl]

Pennydog and Janet, many thanks to you both for the new information. Disappointing about the Charles Henry not being "my" Charles Henry, but at least I now know he's not the right one. I am starting to think that the brothers may have migrated, perhaps here to Australia - their aunt Maria Earl came to South Australia in 1877 with her family, and there were family stories that more came out; we just never knew who did so. Will start looking at passenger lists. The last I now know of them, for certain, is in the 1891 Census.

Good to know that Dora and George were still around in 1911. The age and place of birth of the John Dennis Knight at Stockport fits in with their son, John, so I will tentatively claim him, but with reservations until I can look into it further! (I don't know where they got "Dennis" from - definitely not a family name and very modern sounding for someone born in 1886...) Janet, thanks for finding their marriage at Chapel-en-le-Frith, 1884. I don't know why I couldn't find it !!! (I did look, a few times... Oh well.) Anyway, thank you for that. Much appreciated.

Will now try some passenger lists and post the results (if there are any).
THANKS again, Susan.

[Bazh]

I just happened to come across your posting regarding the Grant and Broomhead families while trawling the internet. The Walter Grant (born 1874) you mention is my wife's Gt Grandfather, who married Mary Ann Reilly at Gorton near Manchester and later settling and dying in Stalybridge Cheshire. Regarding Charles Henry Grant, i have found out from a tree on the internet, that he emigrated to Toronto in Canada with his wife and children, where he died in 1922, as a result of an head injury after a fall.

[ssnearl]

Hi Bazh!

Sorry I didn't reply immediately but have had a nasty early winter flu or something and haven't looked at my emails for over a week. What a WONDERFUL surprise to find your post. After so long, to have a "chance" viewer be able to fill in the gaps is utterly fantastic. Firstly, thanks for the information about the Grant brothers. Secondly, do you and your wife want to exchange further information? As you would have read, Charles and Walter had a half-sister, Maria Broomhead, who they grew up with, and she was my gr-grandmother. I hope to eventually write a family history about them all, and so would appreciate any further help you could give. If not, that's OK - you have already given me a lot of help. Thanks!
Susan

[frithy]

Hi Have you any Knight relations living in Romiley at the present time please?
Joan

[ssnearl]

Hi Have you any Knight relations living in Romiley at the present time please?
Joan

Hi Joan,
I don't actually know if I have any Knight relations living in Romiley, but there may be!

George and Dora Knight (nee Grant) had 6 children, the first 2 being born before they were married and may not have been George's children. Child 1, Gertrude Grant (Knight?), died in Chorlton, Lancs., aged 4, and Child 2, Thomas Grant/Knight, seems to have disappeared after 1901, but the others all married and had children and some of these were born in Romiley. Child 3, Hannah Marie, married Hugh Morris Hayne in 1909 and had 4 children but they appear to have lived everywhere but Romiley. Child 4, John Dennis/ Jack, married Mary Ellen Foy in 1911 and had 2/3 children, 2 being born in Romiley (George William in 1913 and Margaret in 1916). After Jack was killed in action in Flanders in WW1, Mary Ellen married his younger brother George William (Child 6) and they had John Dennis in 1920 in Romiley. He died in 1985 in Stockport but I don't know if he ever married or had children. Child 5, Lily, married William Henry Atkinson in 1915 in Stockport, but again I don't know if they had any children.

Does this help you at all? Most of the above information was not my research but was kindly given to me to help fill in the family gaps. As yet I haven't had time to take it any further, so if it happens that you are related, I would love to exchange more information with you. Let me know, and many thanks for getting in touch.
Susan.