Phillips Fâmily from Yerbeston

[Mutley]

I have had a wonderful time today searching for a friend.
Been searching around Bedwelty, Monmouthshire for the Holley family.
George Holley married Martha Alice Phillips from Newburgh, Lancs in 1903.

Martha's father was John Phillips (b. 1849) and he came from Yerbeston, Pembrokeshire. He was married to Margaret Lowe.

I think his parents were James Phillips (b. 1825) and Anne Morgans (b. 1825), they married in Narberth in 1845.

Now I am back to James mother, seems to be Rebecca/Rebekah born about 1788.

The census and BMDs have been very informative but now I am delving further back and I have been unable to find where I can buy the parish records for this area, I am quite out of my depth, being a Londoner. Can anyone advise pease?

[Waitabit]

Hi Mutley can you access these from where you are?
www
londonfhc.org/content/catalogue?c=4&p=Wales,Wales,Pembroke,Narberth&f=1

or maybe here?

[Orielbenfro]

Martha's father was John Phillips (b. 1849) and he came from Yerbeston, Pembrokeshire............... parents were James Phillips (b. 1825) and Anne Morgans (b. 1825), they married in Narberth in 1845................James mother, seems to be Rebecca/Rebekah born about 1788.

I’m afraid this is possibly another case, “of you trust the IGI at your peril”.

There is no John Phillips(various spelling) baptised at Yerbeston 1849. As far as I can ascertain in the direct area and period around your interest there are two John Phillips baptized in 1849 one at St Issells and one at Begelly, since the IGI shows the St Issells entry I suspect the IGI Yerbeston entry should in fact read Begelly.
Of all the baptism’s (IGI has only a few) of James Phillips in the area of your interest, I cannot establish the baptism of a James to a mother Rebecca, however I do note the mrge of John Phillips of North Newton mrd to Rebecca Morgans at Loveston 26 Sept 1813.
I note also the mrge of John Philipps to Rebecca Walter at Jefferston in 1797 and George Phillips to Rebecca Rees at Tenby in 1791.
I suspect (could well be wrong)that North Newton is just maybe the modern Hamlet of Manorbier Newton, in the past sometimes also called Newton Manorbier or just Newton in the parish of Hodgeston.
Perhaps some of the early 19th century wills of the Phillips(various spelling) around Begelly ~ Narberth area may be worth a look for free on the NLoW website.
My Yerbeston 1841 census is only readable in part, so no help there.

Have you sourced the 1851 census for John Phillips (b.1849)? A visit to your local library.

A visit to the S.O.G. will assist your research in Wales. Also the Dyfed FHS has or had a London Branch that might be worth talking to (Joining). There are no P.R.’s for sale for the area of your interest, I have some see;
http://www.british-genealogy.com/for...p-Minutes-FREE

If it helps I can always check items on your behalf whilst doing my own research at the Pembs R.O., I am due there this week, subject to (motorcycling) weather.

Let me know if I can assist.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname

[Mutley]

How can I thank you Orielbenfro? A tremendous help you are.

I did not use the IGI, I tried Hugh Wallis's back door and Pembrokeshire is not mentioned. What I learnt was from the census and FreeBMD. I have sent for some certificates (charged to my friend) but seeing as we live in Portugal and the GRO is on a big back log, I expect to have to wait a few weeks.

I followed the St. Issells John and he is not the one. The Begelly baptism is interesting, that is where his mum, Anne Morgans says she was born in 1824. I have now checked the IGI and the Yerbeston baptisms of James and Ann's children line up perfectly with the census, thanks for that.

If you trip over the marriage of James and Ann registered in Narberth June 1845 26/991 (one I am waiting for) I would be very grateful.

If the father is John then I think that the Rebecca Walter of Jefferson is probably his mother. That is where she says she is born on one of the census.

I will certainly look at the wills, did coal miners leave possessions? I will look though, you never know. Thank you.

I have John from 1851 to 1911. The 1851 being the best as he is the son of James and Ann with James mother Rebecca living with them.

I have James in 1841, 51, (61 is missing according to FMP) and 71. He dies in 1877 and Ann is on the next two until her death in 1894.

Thanks once again.

[Orielbenfro]

Can not find a baptism for Ann(e) Morgan(s) at Begelly. There is a Chapel opposite the church, now sold for other uses, she could have been non-conformist.
I do note the baptism of your Thomas Phillips at Yerbeston in 1868, and at least one sister Sarah in 1847, which confirms the entries in the IGI. I do note others but will leave them to you, I just wanted a hook on the family in the village.
Narberth Registration District covers many more parishes than just Narberth Parish. After 1837 mrge was permitted in Church, Chapel as well as Registry Office. This covers a large area and a great number of venues, not all searchable, as I know to my cost.
I will double check Yerbeston again for the baptism ~ lets hope I was wrong, if he’s not there will double check Begelly.
It constantly surprises me how many people ignore wills. I know of one will where the testator left his bed to his wife ~ that’s it, she was executor they had witnesses and the will was probated correctly, also don’t forget the in-laws.
Pure speculation the nearest I can find in the area is the mrge of Thomas Walters to Ann Lewis at Ludchurch in 1775 for parents of Rebecca.
2 notes of interest, 1/ From experience I am aware that both Waters and Walters can be interchangeable in one family over time. 2/ I have index’d all names, places and relationships in all wills 1600 to 1858 for the ECC of St David’s for certain parishes that relate to the Oriel’s of Pembrokeshire, this includes Ludchurch. An abbreviated listing of the Ludchurch index was put on the net for an experiment to see what interest there was see ; http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM...rch/Wills.html
If there is anything there of interest I can supply you a full will extract or of course you can obtain the full will from the NLoW.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
ORIEL a welsh window on a surname

[Mutley]

Thanks again for continuing to look for me. I have printed an old map and am trying to come to terms with the names of these villages.

There is a Rebecca, she is a pauper on the 1841 census in Yerbeston. Children are George (1821), Martha (1823), James (1826), Sarah (1827), William (1830), and Ann (1834). Possible that father has died.

I have found baptisms for children born to John and Rebecca Phillips in Yerbeston, Lawrenny and Loveston. Martha,, Sarah, William, and also Benjamin, Rebecca, Thomas and another William. I cannot find George, James and Ann.

What I don't know yet is whether these are the children of John Phillips and Rebecca Walters married at Jefferston in 1797 or the children of John Phillips and Rebecca Morgan(s) married in Loverston in 1813.

I have looked at the wills and the John Phillips will in 1838 looks possible but it is such a common name and so are the children's.

Thank you for confirming the baptisms of Thomas and Sarah to James and Anne. I have found 10 children, just missing Rebecca in about 1846.