Sayer

[Daphne]

Can anyone help me find Frederick Sayer, born about 1861. I've found him in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses living in Bermondsey, and in every one he gives his place of birth as Great Yarmouth, Norfolk. I can't find any entries in the BMD Indexes which might be Fred, nor can I find him in the 1861 or 1871 censuses in Great Yarmouth. I tried buying a copy of the Baptism Registers on fiche from Norfolk Records Office. Still no joy. Any help of suggstions gratefully received.

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi there

Do you have any idea as to Freds Parents

As he would be 9 or 10 in the 1871 census, it may help find him

[Chris in 1066Land]

This is the only family of Sayers that shows any connection with Norfolk in the 1871 census

Agnes Sayer 1866 Bodney, Norfolk, England Daughter Bodney Norfolk
Caroline Sayer 1870 Bodney, Norfolk, England Daughter Bodney Norfolk
Daniel Sayer 1868 Bodney, Norfolk, England Son Bodney Norfolk
Emily Sayer 1833 Standford, Norfolk, England Wife Bodney Norfolk
Frederick Sayer 1862 Great Cressingham, Norfolk, England Son Bodney Norfolk
George Sayer 1830 Bodney, Norfolk, England Head Bodney Norfolk
Georgeanna Sayer 1860 Great Cressingham, Norfolk, England Daughter Bodney Norfolk
Harriett Sayer 1864 Bodney, Norfolk, England Daughter Bodney Norfolk

[Geoffers]

Can anyone help me find Frederick Sayer, born about 1861. I've found him in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses living in Bermondsey, and in every one he gives his place of birth as Great Yarmouth, Norfolk. I can't find any entries in the BMD Indexes which might be Fred, nor can I find him in the 1861 or 1871 censuses in Great Yarmouth.

He could have been from Gorleston, which was part of Suffolk until 1889. Have you tried the census for there?

Could he have had another forename, by which he aws known until he left home?

Do you have Frederick's marriage certificate with his father's name? It may be possible to search for his dad and find Frederick either under another name or mis-spelt.

Around 1861 there were still births that were not registered, so it may be that you don't manage to locate a birth certificate.

In searching the birth index, I take it you've tried under variant spellings of the surname?

Geoffers

[Geoffers]

Further to my suggestion about the marriage certificate and looking for the father; the following males who were of an age where they might possibly be Frederick's dad, were living in Yarmouth in the 1871 census:

John SAYER, 48, Fish Curer
George SAYER, 32, Beerhousekeeper
Samuel SAYER, 47, labourer
James SAYER, 44, Twine spinner
Barcham SAYER, 70, landowner
John SAYER, 35, Miller journeyman.

Do any of the names and ocupations match at all?

Geoffers

[Daphne]

Hi Geoffers

I do have a copy of Frederick's marriage certificate. He was the son of William, a carman. The marriage took place in 1880 in Walworth. I tried looking for William Sayer in the 1851 LDS census transcription with no success. When I searched for Frederick in the Indexes of Births I checked for variants of spelling, as did his direct ancestor, Adele, who is an Australian lady. We've both come up with nothing.

[Daphne]

Hi

According to Fred's marriage certificate, his father was William, a carman. I tried looking in the 1851 census transcription for William with not much success.
Daphne

[Pam Downes]

This is the only family of Sayers that shows any connection with Norfolk in the 1871 census

Strange that, because my copy of the Norfolk 1871 census from ACDB clearly shows living in Stibbard Norfolk on RG10/1851 folio 62 page 18

James SAYERS, head, m, 78, formerly inn keeper, born Norfolk Stibbard
Charlotte, wife, m, 75, Norfolk Stibbard
Alfred, grandson, u, 20, ag lab, Middlesex London

Completing the household is Eliza Lake, granddaughter, u, possibly 18 (or 16 or 19 - dirty great mark through number), formerly teacher, Norfolk Stibbard.

James could well have been transcribed as Tayers, and Stibbard could appear as Stiffard/Stifford.

Other 'alternatives' for Sayer(s) - Layer(s), Fayer(s), Tayer(s). And how about changing the first vowel Soyers, Leyers, etc? And g instead of y - Sager(s).

Pam Downes

[Daphne]

Hi Pam

Thanks for those name variation suggestions. I hadn't thought of them I must admit.

Daphne

[Pam Downes]

If I 'd taken my brain with me to the SoG Fair today I could have set the Ancestry guy the challenge of finding Fred. Might have been fun to watch though these experts usually manage to find in two clicks what you've failed to find in two hours.

Pam Downes