John Nicholas Fishguard

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There are several possibles for Margaret in 1911 but without knowing the other family members she may be living with it is difficult to be sure of her.

Adding to Jellylegs Harries and Nicholas combination. The two farming families seemed to be combined in 1851 in Llandeloy and there is a young David Nicholas amongst them.
HO107/2479/54/4

William Nicholas age 40 Head. A farmer of 232 with 4 labourers.
Eliza Nicholas age 41 wife
James Harries age 18 servant
Mary Ann Harries age 17 daughter
Elizabeth Nicholas age 12 daughter
John Nicholas age 8 daughter (sic)
James Nicholas age 6 daughter (sic)
David Nicholas age 2 son
William Owen age 33 Visitor
Steven Griffiths age 48 Visitor
James Howels age 18 Servant
Henry Edward age 15 Servant
John Owen age 75 Labourer
William Nicholas age 20 Labourer
Martha Griffiths age 18 Servant
Martha Nicholas age 13 Servant

[Jellylegs]

I think that Maria and Ann Nicholas could be sisters. I had to go back to the 1841 census to find them together.

HO107: Book/Folio 3/8; Page 9 (FMP)
Living at Cwm Ucha, Dinas, Pembrokeshire
Charles NICHOLAS b. 1807
Lydia b. 1806
Ann b. 1834
Mariah b. 1837
Mary b. 1840

(record held by TNA, Crown Copyright)

Jellylegs

[Jellylegs]

FreeBMD Marriages has Mary Ann HARRIES and John NICHOLAS on the same page. Dec 1892 (11a 1739)

Jellylegs

(maybe not - it would be too late?)

[Jellylegs]

1851 Census: HO107/2480/156/1 (record held by TNA, Crown Copyright)

Mary NICHOLAS (age 10) is a house servant for David HARRIES, the farmer.

Jellylegs

[Jellylegs]

FreeBMD Marriages has Mary Ann HARRIES and John NICHOLSON on the same page. Dec 1892 (11a 1739)

Jellylegs

(maybe not - it would be too late?)

OOPS - typing error - should be John NICHOLAS, not NICHOLSON.

Jellylegs


P.S. I edited it.

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The two families are certainly tied together and the first names follow down the lines.

Curious!
It will be interesting to see if Welshroots can make the connection.

[Jellylegs]

It will be interesting to see if Welshroots can make the connection.

Yes, I will stop looking further until welshroots2 replies.

Jellylegs

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Me also.

[welshroots2]

i am sorry i didnt mean to mislead or upset any one and am very grateful for all your help
i am fairly new to all this .
Yes Margaret Ann Bevan was born 1880 Llantrissant and married John Nicholas 1900 in Pontypridd area .

He is said to be 20 on marriage cert
The witnessess were the Bevan side of the family The father David was not said to be deceased .
On 1901 cencus it gives Johns age as 28 born abt 1873 and is married to Margaret nee Bevan with a child Margaret Emily.
Margaret died in 1902

On 1911 census where he is married to Maria( nee Phelps nee Richards )his age is 39 born abt 1872 .Maria born abt1874 Letterston and has children Rachel ,Hannah Mary Phelps by previous marriage and Gwendoline ,John David ,Thomas Henry and Blodwen Nicholas by John .

I am going to get the birth cert now of John Nicolas from Pembroke Registry office.
Yes I am sorry, I failed to say I had contacted them but they couldnt find John Nicholas with father David. It did not enter my mind that there were all these other possiblities that you have all kindly come up with .
I posted on another board and the last post there The said they were stumped so I thought it was Ok to try here
I live in Cardiff by the way and if anyone wants photos taken round here give me a shout !!!

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Morning Welshroots.
It is OK to post your brickwalls on Brit-Gen after trying elsewhere. I don't think we are stumped yet. It is just best to tell us all you know so we are better able to help you. It also helps to know you live in Wales rather than Australia.

Do you have the marriage certificate to Maria Phelps registered in Sep 1902 at Pontypridd? Does this also show David as the father of John?

Have you looked at Genuki? It does seem as if some of the records are available that may help you tie these families together.

Also some records have been transcribed by the IGI. Try here

It may be beneficial to try drawing out trees and piecing together the Nicholas families in the area. I would also be very interested in finding out more about Ann, the daughter of Charles and Lydia as well as the several David Nicholas names that are around.

Keep us up to date with your findings.