That makes sense as well.
Well we thought we had solved it in our own minds, without obtaining the original adoption cert, which we wont be able to as the person is still living, was adopted before 1975. Of course, we could ask the people concerned but after all these years, if they wanted us to know they would have mentioned it long ago.
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18-02-2010 09:25 AM #11Loves to help with queries.
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Although, as Peter rightly says, without proof it isn't solved - given what you have said about the names and the mother's subsequent marriage, you are probably correct.
We have a family member, same era, exactly the same circumstances, and therefore this person has an adoption cert instead of a birth cert. I think at that time, recent though it is, such matters weren't talked about and certainly in the case of our relation the facts were known only to immediate family members of that generation, to the extent that the person-concerned's sibling weren't told either. And I agree, since they didn't choose to make it public knowledge, you can hardly ask.
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I've never heard of such a restriction. It's the same as getting a birth certificate.without obtaining the original adoption cert, which we wont be able to as the person is still livingPeter Goodey
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19-02-2010 03:43 PM #14Loves to help with queries.
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I do think after looking at the form "application for access to birth records" it is probably pointed towards the actual person that was adopted to get in touch and have the meeting (not a curious, however well meaning relative) to ask questions.
This could leave the person who was adopted and the family that adopted open to many questions and unnecessary embarrassment.
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I think I might know the answer to this question as this occurred in my own family to a child born in England. Here is what happened (NOTE: All the names below are not their real names !)
1. Miss Anna Adams married Mr. BAINS in 1930
This couple received a final decree of divorce in January 1952.
2. Anna (Adams) Bains gave birth to a daughter in September 1952. (The father of this child, Mr. CHURCH, was still married to his first wife at the time of the birth.)
3. A Birth Certificate was issued for the child giving the child's name as Mary Bains, listing the mother's maiden name as follows: Adams OR Bains ! It listed the father as C. Church and the child's surname as BAINS ! (The child was given this surname because it was still the mother's legal surname.)
4. In 1955, after Mr. Church had obtained his divorce, he married Anna (Adams) Bains.
5. After their marriage, an adoption certificate was issued in which both Anna and her new husband "adopted" their own biological child, Mary Bains, and her surname then became CHURCH.
When I asked the mother of this child why it was done this way she replied, "We had to do it that way so that she could have her real father's last name."
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07-04-2010 07:13 PM #16Name well known on Brit-Gen.
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Hi HopeToFind, thank you for posting useful additional information, and welcome to the forums.
Anyone joining this thread please remember that discussion of personal details of adoption after 1900 are not permitted on this forum -- please see this Sticky.
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