I need help sorting this family - (This one gets really confusing)
Marriage: 6 Apr 1828 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
William Shutt - (X), Husbandman Widower of Colne
Margaret Knowles - (X), of Colne
Witness: Anthony Hornby, (X); James Ellis
Married by Banns by: P. Henderson
Baptisms: 22 Apr 1832 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Betty Shutt - Dau of William Shutt & Margaret
Abode: Marsden Chapel - Occupation: Coal Miner
Baptisms: 22 Apr 1832 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
John Shutt - Son of William Shutt & Margaret
Abode: Marsden Chapel - Occupation: Coal Miner
Baptisms: 7 Apr 1833 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
William Shutt - Son of William Shutt & Margaret
Abode: L.Marsden - Occupation: Carrier
Baptisms: 1 Feb 1835 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Thomas Shutt - Son of William Shutt & Margaret
Abode: Mansfield - Occupation: Coal Miner
1841 census
Census reference: HO107/509/ 1/47 /1
William Shutt, aged 35, Farmer, not born in county
Margaret Shutt, aged 30, not born in county
Betty Shutt, aged 12, born in county
John Shutt, aged 10, born in county
William Shutt, aged 8, born in county
Thomas Shutt, aged 6, born in county
Joshua Shutt, aged 4, born in county
Sarah Shutt, aged 10 months, born in county
Residing at Spring Gardens, Whalley Great Marsden
Baptisms: 6 Oct 1844 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Margaret Shutt - Dau of William Shutt & Margaret
Abode: Spring Lane - Occupation: Coal Miner
Could someone give there opinion on the above, please.
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Thread: My confusing Shutt family
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09-11-2010, 8:10 PM #1RonOneGuest
My confusing Shutt family
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09-11-2010, 9:02 PM #2RonOneGuest
Here's the next piece of the puzzle:
I know this side of my family have ties to Brierfield, Colne, and County Durham.
There is no obvious death for a William Shutt nor can I find a marriage for a William Shackelton to a Margaret Shutt/Knowles. Have they just moved and changed their surname?
1851 census
Census reference: HO107/2386/323/23
William Shackleton, Head. 45, Coal Miner, born Colne
Margaret Shackleton, Wife, 43, born Colne
William Steward, Son in law, 23, Coal Miner, born West Auckland Durham
Elizabeth Steward, Daughter, 21, Coal Miners Wife, born Colne
Thomas Shackleton, Son, 16, Coal Miner, born Colne
Joshua Shackleton, Son, 14, Coal Miner, born Colne
Sarah Shackleton, Daughter, 10, born Colne
Margaret Shackleton, Daughter, 6, born Colne
Jessie Shackleton, Son, 4, born Colne
Margaret Steward, Grand Daughter, 1, born Witton Park Durham
William Steward, Grand Son, 1 month, born West Auckland Durham
Residing at Witton Park, Witton Le Wear, Durham
Same family?
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09-11-2010, 9:24 PM #3RonOneGuest
Durham website:
Marriages 1849
STEWARD William to SHOTT Elizabeth - Durham Central
FreeBMD:
Marriages Mar 1849
Steward William - Durham &c.24 62
Sholt Elizabeth - Durham &c 24 62
SHOTT is very close to Shutt - either way she isn't Elizabeth Shackleton.
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09-11-2010, 9:32 PM #4RonOneGuest
Okay see what you think with the next bit: (I said it was confusing)
1861 Census reference: RG09/3716/84/28
Thomas Stobart Head 53, Deputy Overman born Cumberland
Margaret, Wife, 53 born Lancashire
William, Son, 21, Coal Miner, born Cumberland
Thomas, Son, 19, Coal Miner, born Durham
Margaret Shackleton, Daughter in law, 17, born Lancashire
Rachel Stobart, Daugh 14, born Durham
Jessie Shackleton, Son in law 14, born Coxhoe Durham
Isabella ? Stobart, Daugh, 7, born Whicham Durham
Thomas Stobart, Lodger, unmarried, Coal Miner, born Whitcham Durham
Residing at Witton Park Witton Le Wear Durham
Duham website:
STOBBART Thomas - 1853 Durham Western
KNOWLES Margaret - 1853 Durham Western - (Which matches first marriage to William Shutt)
SHUTT Margaret - 1853 Durham Western
FreeBMD:
Marriages Dec 1853
Shutt Margaret - Auckland 10a 182
Stobbart Thomas - Auckland 10a 182
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09-11-2010, 9:49 PM #5RonOneGuest
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09-11-2010, 9:51 PM #6RonOneGuest
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09-11-2010, 10:20 PM #7RonOneGuest
Margaret Shutt (Shackleton?) b.1844 is my 2xg-grandmother. My great-grandmother being her daughter Margaret Ann Butson.
I now think this is Margaret Shutt/Shackleton's first marriage - which is on order so I'll have the details soon. (hopefully the right one)
Marriages Jun 1867
BUTSON Thomas - Burnley 8e 263
Shutt Margaret - Burnley 8e 263
On their daughter Margaret Ann Butson's 1871 BC:
Margaret Ann Butson - born Toft Hill, Evenwood
Father: Thomas Butson (Coal miner) - Mother: Margaret Butson - formerly Shackelton[sic]
Thomas Butson then dies in 1874
And Margaret Shackleton marries a Joseph Orton in 1876 - I have this marriage cert.
Margaret's details are:
Margaret Butson, 32, Widow, Old Shildon - Father: William Shackleton (deceased), Coal Miner
So it would seem Margaret is using two surnames also - Shutt when in Lancashire - and Shackleton when in Durham
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09-11-2010, 10:29 PM #8RonOneGuest
Not certain of 1871 census:
1881 census transcript:
Census reference: RG11/4914/53/50
Joseph Orton, Head, Married, aged 41, Iron Merchant, born Bolam, Durham
Margaret Orton, Wife, Married, aged 36, Iron Merchant Wife, born Colne, Lancashire
Jule Orton, Daughter, aged 3, born Jobs Hill, Durham (note: Julie?)
Arthur Orton, Son, aged 1, born Jobs Hill, Durham
Margaret Butsen (Orton), Daughter, aged 9, Scholar, born Toft Hill, Durham
Sarah J Butsen (Orton), Daughter, aged 7, Scholar, born Spennymoor, Durham
Residing at South Church Road, Bishop Auckland, Durham
1891 census: (transcribed as Orten)
Census reference: RG12/4185/95/24
Joseph Orton, aged 51, Coal Miner, born Bolam, Co Durham
Margaret Orton, aged 46, born Colne, Lancashire
Julia A Orton, aged 13, born Jobshill, Co Durham
Arthur Orton, aged 11, born Jobshill, Co Durham
Alice Orton, aged 9, born Bishop Auckland
Joseph Orton, aged 4, born Dockham, Co Durham
Residing at Kells Lane Gateshead Durham
now back to Lancashire:
1901 census:
Census reference: RG13/3884/93/10
Margaret Orton, Head, Widow, aged 56, born Spennymoor
Sarah Jane Butson, aged 27, born Spennymoor
Julia Ann Orton, aged 23, Confectioner, born Crook Durham
Alice Orton, aged 19, General Domestic servant, born Bishop Auckland
Joseph Orton, aged 14, born Newcastle Northumberland
Residing at 31 Regent Street, Brierfield, Lancashire
Note that when living in Durham Margaret states born Lancashire and vice versa.
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09-11-2010, 10:56 PM #9RonOneGuest
These are Margaret (Shackleton/Shutt/Orten)'s children (to Thomas Butson) in 1891
1891 census transcript: Butson transcribed as Batson
Census reference: RG12/3379/130/11
Sarah Storey, Head, Widow, aged 51, Dressmaker, born Colne, Lancs
James Storey, Son, Single, aged 17, born Wilton Park, Durham
George Stobbart Storey, aged 15, born Wilton Park, Durham
Thomas Frederick Storey, aged 13, born Wilton Park, Durham
Margaret Ann Butson, aged 19, (Relative), born Etherley, Durham
Sarah Jane Butson, aged 17, (Relative), born Spennymoor, Durham
Residing at 16 Guildford Street, Great and little Marsden, Brierfield, Lancashire
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09-11-2010, 11:09 PM #10AnjaliUKGuest
What an interesting mystery. I would look for William Shutt/Shackleton's birth and parents (I don't think you've mentioned it?) If he was illegitimate, he may have gone by two names, his mother's and his father's. Likewise, if he had a step father he may have been known by two names, father and stepfather. And I guess if he was illegitimate AND had a stepfather, he may have been known by three.
I had a quick look though and couldn't find a William Shackleton matching yours in 1841, which helps to suggest it is the same person in both the censuses you quoted. However, it is common for children to change their surnames to their stepfather's, so it would also be plausible for this to be a second marriage with his 1841 record just missing. That was no help whatsoever, I know!
However, if he was known by Shutt AND Shackleton, it would explain why Margaret's third marriage is still under Shutt. As for her maiden name being on the second source for the marriage, perhaps the transcriber took it from her father's surname, which would be on the certificate.
I'm intrigued by the changing occupations. Although it was common to have more than one occupation, it's adds more mystery in this scenario.
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