Parents for Dinah Moses

[helwhiz]

Hi there,

I am looking for the parents of Dinah Moses, b c 1821, who married Morris Solomons on the 15th September 1842 at the Great Synagogue.

Her Father was David Moses, but I can't find anything about her Mother.

Help much appreciated.

[CemeteryScribes]

Would this be them in 1841 census:
Petticoat Lane
David Moses 55
Hannah Moses 60
Solomon Moses 30
Moses Moses 30
Sarah Moses 25
Dinah Moses 20
Abigail Moses 18
Isaac Moses 20

NB. Ages can be rounded up / down by up to 5yrs in the 1841.

[birdlip]

IGI has this;

David MOSES m Abigail SOLOMONS 07 Jun 1809 Gt Synagogue, London

[helwhiz]

That looks pretty good to me, cemeteryscribes.

And the marriage to Abigail would also work, birdlip

How do you tell which one is right?

Dianh married a Morris Solomons in 1842.

Did David and Abigail show up in the 1841 census, by any chance? to see if they had a child Dinah?

[birdlip]

I think it's possible that Abigail is Hannah (if you see what I mean) The place and date of the marriage fits, one of the children is called Abigail, and Dinah marries a Solomons (perhaps a cousin?)

I think you're right to double check and see if anyone can find an Abigail and David Moses in 1841 though. You could also see if anyone can view the original 1809 marriage entry for you, or order it to view yourself at an LDS centre. There might be some other details on the original that would help confirm it..or not.

CemetryScribes doesn't give Davids occupation in 1841, but I wonder if it ties in with his occ on Dinahs marriage cert the following year? Ditto her address at the time of the marriage?

[birdlip]

Its also possible that Hannah is a second wife.

[Mona]

The IGI marriage is member submitted, so treat with caution.
On synagoguescribes.com, the marriage of David MOSES on 7 June 1809 has no spouse (unable to be read perhaps). There are two marriages of an Abigail SOLOMONS in 1809 (Jan and Aug), neither are to a David MOSES.

[CemeteryScribes]

Sorry should have put in the occupation of David MOSES in 1841, it is general dealer.

Interestingly I can only find a David MOSES with wife Abigail in 1851 census of the right age or thereabouts but the page is really faded on the site I use (begining with A) perhaps someone else can take a look and double check? There appear to be 7 servants! and David is listed as merchant. They seem to be living next door to another Moses family. The area is Brixton Lambeth. Does that match the address on the marriage for Dinah?

NB. I am getting it checked but I suspect the marriage of David MOSES on SynagogueScribes is the one to Abigail SOLOMONS and the spouse field was missed when entered.

[birdlip]

Interestingly I can only find a David MOSES with wife Abigail in 1851 census of the right age or thereabouts but the page is really faded on the site I use (begining with A) perhaps someone else can take a look and double check? There appear to be 7 servants! and David is listed as merchant.

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So there is no David and Hannah in 1851? Mind you, unless he got really lucky, its hard to imagine that someone working as a General Dealer in 1841, could in one decade graduate to being a merchant with 7 servants!

[birdlip]

Mind you, unless he got really lucky, its hard to imagine that someone working as a General Dealer in 1841, could in one decade graduate to being a merchant with 7 servants!

I've been looking around and found on TNA, several refs to a David MOSES of Petticoat lane, clothes dealer, insuring property with the Sun Fire Insurance co. His address from 1811 to 1831 is 2 Harrow Alley, Petticoat Lane, variously described as in Hounsditch or "near Gravel Lane."

It makes interesting reading. In many cases, there are two or more refs for one year;

In Jun 1811 and Jul 1813 he's described as a 'Tailor'
Jul 1816 'Tailor and Dealer in wearing apparel'
Aug 1821 and Jul 1825 'Tailor and slop seller'
Oct 1825 'Dealer in clothes as Treasurer' ( anyone know what this would mean?)
Jun 1826, May 1827 'Dealer in clothes and military stores'
Apr1828 'Treasurer'
Sept 1828 'Gent'
Jul 1829 'Dealer in clothes and military stores'
Jul 1829 "Treasurer'
Nov 1830 'gent'
Jul 1831 'Dealer in clothes and military stores'

As early as 1816, he is also insuring other property in the area, 1 Harrow Alley (occupied by Solomon Moses), a warehouse at 3, Harrow Alley,
1 Partridge Court, Gravel Lane etc...

By 15 Nov 1832, (the last one I could see) his address is '10, Petticoat Lane, opposite the India Warehouses, Other Property or occupiers; Tabernacle, 1 Partridge Court, Gravel Lane, Hounsditch', and he is described as 'Treasurer' again.

If this is the David MOSES we are chasing, 'General Dealer' in 1841 may've been a bit of an understatement, and it does seem more possible that he and the David MOSES in 1851 could perhaps be one and the same person. Still being cautious though! What do you think?